The reality is that lab rats exist, that scientists use rats for experimentation for two reasons: they proliferate like whoa and what works for them frequently works for us.
IMO, many lab animals live better lives than the sad animals whose owners insist on allowing their own animals to reproduce for the lulz and give their offspring to any Joe on the street. Worse yet, to allow their cats to go feral and/or abandon their animal family. I've seen too many feral cats in my neighborhood, skin and bones and barely alive and just ugh.
Tbh, I'm this close to calling animal control and having the poor things euthanized.
Let's not even get into the subject of feeder rats.
This precious ratty guy, otoh, was anesthetized, obviously well treated during his convalescence and damn! He recovered! I think it's pretty amazing and man, he's cute. ♥
I know what animal testing is supposed to accomplish. Maybe some lab animals live better than those who are abused or neglected, but I don't guess that's saying a whole lot. I wouldn't say the quality of life for a lab animal is necessarily good or that they're really treated well when things are purposefully done to harm them. Treated as well as possible while meeting the goals of an experiment, sure.
But, yes, the rat's cuteness cannot be contested.
As for feral cats... If they have a "keeper" and are fixed and vaccinated, they can do alright. But it depends on the environment, really. Not every place can offer refuge to cats even with food and vet care.
Damn. An interesting conversation on eljay. Whodathunk it?
Pardon me. I didn't mean to imply you didn't know the why of testing. I just meant to point out that, well, testing happens? In that particular case, I don't see why they couldn't use a human subject. After all, the biggest problem would be being blue. In light of the disability itself, it seems to me a small price to pay.
I've brought rats into my family and I've loved every one of them. They were clever and loving and I miss them.
I guess my opinion comes from the fact that I, too, watch television, specifically, "Animal Police". That and the feral cats in my neighborhood. But yeah, while I have seen some lab animals in their environment, I guess I can't say they're aren't equally abused -- just not starved or living in filth.
Your final sentence underscores my point. Sure, if feral cats are properly cared for, live and let live. It's the live and let die, and horribly, that I do take issue with.
I never expect my journal entries to prompt one... I don't really want to start a debate, though.
Yeah I figured that's what you meant. I just meant it was still... I'll say sad, since I can't think of a better term right now. Even though animal testing is for research and not mindless abuse, it's still often cruel what is done to the animals-- since they are harming them. But I know there are different forms of animal testing. Not all involve vivisection. The blue rats possibly got off a bit better than some, sure. I don't know how much pain would be involved, but they recovered and were able to live normally for awhile after their back was broken before they were dissected.
Don't they always test on animals first? They tested the rats to make sure there were no side effects of the dye. Although testing in animals doesn't always, 100% of the time show us that something is safe for humans, but with food dye... You really would think there wouldn't be much risk in the first place. They do want to test it on humans "right away" now,
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IMO, many lab animals live better lives than the sad animals whose owners insist on allowing their own animals to reproduce for the lulz and give their offspring to any Joe on the street. Worse yet, to allow their cats to go feral and/or abandon their animal family. I've seen too many feral cats in my neighborhood, skin and bones and barely alive and just ugh.
Tbh, I'm this close to calling animal control and having the poor things euthanized.
Let's not even get into the subject of feeder rats.
This precious ratty guy, otoh, was anesthetized, obviously well treated during his convalescence and damn! He recovered! I think it's pretty amazing and man, he's cute. ♥
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But, yes, the rat's cuteness cannot be contested.
As for feral cats... If they have a "keeper" and are fixed and vaccinated, they can do alright. But it depends on the environment, really. Not every place can offer refuge to cats even with food and vet care.
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Pardon me. I didn't mean to imply you didn't know the why of testing. I just meant to point out that, well, testing happens? In that particular case, I don't see why they couldn't use a human subject. After all, the biggest problem would be being blue. In light of the disability itself, it seems to me a small price to pay.
I've brought rats into my family and I've loved every one of them. They were clever and loving and I miss them.
I guess my opinion comes from the fact that I, too, watch television, specifically, "Animal Police". That and the feral cats in my neighborhood. But yeah, while I have seen some lab animals in their environment, I guess I can't say they're aren't equally abused -- just not starved or living in filth.
Your final sentence underscores my point. Sure, if feral cats are properly cared for, live and let live. It's the live and let die, and horribly, that I do take issue with.
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Yeah I figured that's what you meant. I just meant it was still... I'll say sad, since I can't think of a better term right now. Even though animal testing is for research and not mindless abuse, it's still often cruel what is done to the animals-- since they are harming them. But I know there are different forms of animal testing. Not all involve vivisection. The blue rats possibly got off a bit better than some, sure. I don't know how much pain would be involved, but they recovered and were able to live normally for awhile after their back was broken before they were dissected.
Don't they always test on animals first? They tested the rats to make sure there were no side effects of the dye. Although testing in animals doesn't always, 100% of the time show us that something is safe for humans, but with food dye... You really would think there wouldn't be much risk in the first place. They do want to test it on humans "right away" now, ( ... )
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