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[crashska]

I think the reason the whole Democratic spending bill pisses me of so damn much is because it's making apparent the fact that this nation has become one where most people expect stuff to be given to them.

It's not a stimulus bill.  Recessionary economies are revived by encouraging business to produce more and hire more.  The most effective way

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[pogo101]

Takers > Makers.

There's a famous quotation about the latent flaw in democracy being that, once a majority of un-/ less-productive folks (who vote) figure out that they can vote themselves money from the Public Fisc, at the expense of the productive MInority,

the game's up.

And that's where we seem to be.

[crashska]

Yeah, I think that was... ah heck, I have to look it up.

Apparently it's from a Prof. Alexander Tytler, though the quote is not verified. Here's an interesting monologue on the lack of a definitive origin for the quote. Whomever it came from, I think there's quite a bit of truth to it.

[tekroo]

Well you'd best cling to your guns and your religion, lest you end up on the wrong end of the Dictatorship when it arrives! ;-)

Wow! Obama is a Savior and a Prophet!

[twapa]

Dems have long blamed conservatives for voting a bad president into office because they voted with their morals.

People who voted for Obama voted with their morals, too.

Where's the difference?

[shadowfox24]

A bill in which over 80% of the money won't start to be spent until 2010 can't even be called an emergency spending measure.

They're just going to keep going and pouring on the debt no matter what the consequences. The fact that it will ruin the economy is immaterial to them. Hell if anything they'll think it a good thing as it'll let them do even wilder things as people begin to panic when the ship finally starts to sink.

Sorry, I'm long winded.

[archai]

It is important to remember that the median household income in this country is $50,000 a year. If you make less than that, you can with some degree of legitimacy be classified as a bottom feeder. It's not until you hit the eightieth percentile that you reach the six figure mark, and it's not until you reach down to the twentieth that you hit the $20k mark.

Why is this important? Because when you hear all this rhetoric from Republican and Conservative leadership about how "we're" all going to pay, the "working people of this country," for, say, the Bush Tax Cuts getting rolled back or some new taxation for social programs, they're not talking about you. Let me repeat that: if you're in the bottom 80% of income earners in this country, they are not talking about youThis is especially funny because the top 20% are not, historically, the "working people of this country." As a rule, they are in banking or management or real estate or some other industry which is, while necessary, also entirely ancillary to the actual business of

Re: Sorry, I'm long winded.

[crashska]

But we WILL pay. Who pays more when cigarette taxes are increased? Who will pay more of the disposable percentage of their income when carbon taxes (labeled as 'cap and trade')are instituted? When my electricity rates "skyrocket", to quote Candidate Obama, because the producer has to pay the government money for the carbon emitted, how is that NOT me paying a tax? It's going to come out of my pocket. Who gets hurt more by a 50% increase in electrical rates, or in the cost of fuel for their vehicle- the rich person or the poor person? These are hidden taxes that will destroy the ability of the middle class to plan for their future and support themselves in their retirement