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odiousialist December 30 2011, 02:57:06 UTC
Maybe people just figured it was dumb to vote on Hatter just based on personality in the end?

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moextispicy December 30 2011, 03:00:25 UTC
The hardest part for sheep is getting to the point where the sheep can trust each other. Someone who half the players hate versus someone who seems honest and straightforward - why? Who do you really think, in general, is going to be more effective as the sheep learn to group together against the wolves?

And considering how blind voting is the first round, there's nothing penalizing voting based on grudge, either.

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odiousialist December 30 2011, 03:05:20 UTC
I don't think someone everyone hates would like to lose if they're a sheep. Honest and straightforward people can just as well be wolves too. To decide between people based on their personality isn't really wise, I think. Either way, I still don't trust anyone in this game, so that's not much of a difference to me. I don't particularly hate Hatter either, though I wouldn't care if he got voted out, and I did want to vote on him in the first round, but... I decided not to.

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moextispicy December 30 2011, 03:12:53 UTC
But poor liars make for good sheep and bad wolves, because they're more easily caught. It's not about honest and straightforward people being less likely to be chosen as wolves, it's about them not being as good about it. Good liars can be good sheep because they can catch out lying wolves better, but in general, it is much better to keep the honest person in than the liar, if there's no evidence pointing either way.

Why didn't you vote for him?

Also, for the record, the vast majority of the votes for Ben happened very late. I can't document this, because the voting order seemed to change as people voted. Sometimes that means that the wolves didn't make up their mind how to vote until then. I imagine that saving Hatter would be a contentious decision.

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odiousialist December 30 2011, 03:20:31 UTC
That's true. But that doesn't always make things easier. For the record, I know you less than I know Hatter.

[shrugs] I wanted to see what would happen if I didn't.

I didn't vote until the end of the ousting anyway, because as it was the first night, I really had no idea of who to vote for. Voting for Ben was a flip of a coin from me, with my not really knowing him.

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moextispicy December 30 2011, 03:24:37 UTC
Understandable as far as it goes, I suppose. It's normal enough to wait until the last minute the first night. It's just less normal that all those last-minute votes would go to defend one person.

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