steve jobs attacks flash again today

[dangerdhotrod]

steve jobs attacks FlashOnce again companies are vying for control over how content is developed, and consumers and developers are going to suffer. Maybe a Flash plug-in for Mobile Safari is going to be a performance hit, but as a consumer I'm happy to take that hit if I can at least view the content

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[omaha]

personally, i'm pissed every time some bit of flash content crashes my browser.

[dangerdhotrod]

i've heard about this issue but i don't think i've really experienced it yet.

regardless, i'd rather deal with people's shitty content than not being able to have the possibility of viewing said shitty content.

and it's not just flash, this is a move towards blocking any kind of cross-platform development. you want to write apps for mobile devices? you get to choose one, unless you've got lots of time to invest in learning the intricacies of multiple devices (not fun!). so which one? the one with the largest 'market penetration' - this is really what is going on. all the talk about 'better user experience' is kind of bullshit.

[omaha]

but it's true, tho, that cross-platform development sucks. it does mean not supporting the tech available in individual platforms.

whatever platform. i've most experienced this with java apps, on mac, windows, and palm...in each case, while certainly better for the developer to essentially just write a single app, the result was sup-par user experience and performance on each platform.

[dangerdhotrod]

Right, I mean it's going to be an issue when you have different devices with different capabilities, but some of the basic stuff should be much easier to develop for many different devices. Like web-browsing we've got a way for someone to write their content once and it is displayed just fine across many different architectures. I feel like we're supposed to be living in the future man, do I really have to write my shit in assembly again?

The new Flash development suite was going to supposedly compile the actionscript down into a native iphone app, so the performance wouldn't be such an issue. And why not give people the option to write their code in whatever environment they like?

I want to write once run anywhere. These cross-platform issues wouldn't be such a problem if the companies involved would co-operate instead of trying to control the method of development.

[birdfigment]

I was curious that Jobs' statement didn't mention the problem with Flash websites being not-so-ADA-friendly. And also not so easy for search engines to crawl, etc.

[dangerdhotrod]

I'm not even trying to defend how awesome Flash is (though it is when applied to the right circumstances), my point is just that there is already lots of content out there that's in Flash and when people open up a web browser whether they're on a phone or a computer, they tend to expect to be able to view it, and they can't. I really don't think it's about the limitation of the technology, it's about these companies vying for control, which is so incredibly annoying when you're just trying to watch teh funny kitten video your friend posted a link to on twitter. The user experience on an iPhone would be way more awesome with Flash!

[birdfigment]

Yeah, I get ya. What I said wasn't so much about either supporting Apple or Flash, but about being confused why he didn't put forth that perfectly legitimate argument. I don't like like it any more than you do when companies slam doors shut on you just because you are using THEIR technology to access something that is essentially communal...

[dangerdhotrod]

Oh, well I agree that those two things are definitely weak points with flash, and though you can develop with those things in mind easier with each new iteration of the sdk it's something worth noting. But I think Jobs wasn't really trying to point out the limitations of flash, it was more about picking out the main points that 'most people' would understand and setting people up with a apple vs. flash mindset, setting up the terms and location of the battle so to speak

[oliverx]

Huh. I'm also pissed when I try to visit a Flash web site on my phone. But I've been just as pissed for the past 10 years when trying to visiting them on my desktop. Because the web was supposed to be open and huge stretches of it are now proprietary because of Flash

[dangerdhotrod]

If back in the day when I was trying to make rich content applications for the web and all the open source community wasn't telling me that "that's not what web browsers are for", or the people working on java applets had gotten something that actually worked, or the four or five times I tried to install some version of Linux but failed to get it working and when I tried to find help I got lots of RTFM kinds of reactions I would have made content via open source methods. Flash is a great way to make web apps, and my livelihood depends on fast turnaround. I gravitate towards what works and is easy, so that makes me a Fucking Nazi? Dude, Actionscript is fucking awesome! What I'm supposed to do a bunch of Ajax that takes me all fucking day just get some hello world that looks like shit

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