My biggest objection to the 912 thing isn't the thing itself - it's that it just seems to me that Glenn Beck and the people that follow him don't actually seem to be interested in other opinions - the I'd love to be proven wrong here. A lot of the things in the list, as you already pointed out, engage right away in classic logical fallacies like deductive mistakes or "begging the question" - but if that weren't the case, the 912 project could still be a good idea if it actually led to anyone listening to an alternative viewpoint.
Unfortunately I have yet to see anyone who has talked to me about the 912 project go on to actually engage in a constructive political discourse, but I'm willing to keep trying.
Looks like there IS some interesting discussion on the previous post, and it is good to see it is amicable as well.
I'll keep watching and hoping, but so far I haven't seen anything that would change anybody's mind on either side of the fence, but it is surely better than the alternative of NOT discussing!
Hey Yeags! I still like Livejournal, because I've felt Facebook is terrible for conversations, which is ironic given it's a "Social" network, but stuff has a way of vanishing from site over there.
It's nice that the topic has had some civil discussion. Mark is a good guy, and though we don't see the world through the same lens, he's a great example of how to be civil in discourse. I never mind polite debate. '-)
Thanks, Dan! You're a good dude yourself! I think we all agree on a whole lot of goals - we just disagree on the best way to get there. Health care is a great example of that. Some want to throw the whole system out and start over with the government running everything. Some don't want to change anything at all and keep everything the way it is. They're both wrong
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Re: Glenn Beck blames atheists for all problemsdanielcrossOctober 1 2009, 23:37:21 UTC
Blaming secularism and atheists is setting up a bogeyman. And, as he points out, hoping that any single president can fix all woes is equally stupid. He shows some clips of people doing silly things, but blames it on the wrong causes.
He is one of many people who feel there cannot be ethics upheld without the Christian conception of God. This country was not meant to be a theocracy.
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My biggest objection to the 912 thing isn't the thing itself - it's that it just seems to me that Glenn Beck and the people that follow him don't actually seem to be interested in other opinions - the I'd love to be proven wrong here. A lot of the things in the list, as you already pointed out, engage right away in classic logical fallacies like deductive mistakes or "begging the question" - but if that weren't the case, the 912 project could still be a good idea if it actually led to anyone listening to an alternative viewpoint.
Unfortunately I have yet to see anyone who has talked to me about the 912 project go on to actually engage in a constructive political discourse, but I'm willing to keep trying.
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I'll keep watching and hoping, but so far I haven't seen anything that would change anybody's mind on either side of the fence, but it is surely better than the alternative of NOT discussing!
- Yeags
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It's nice that the topic has had some civil discussion. Mark is a good guy, and though we don't see the world through the same lens, he's a great example of how to be civil in discourse. I never mind polite debate. '-)
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He is one of many people who feel there cannot be ethics upheld without the Christian conception of God. This country was not meant to be a theocracy.
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