This post makes me feel the need to go through my previous ljing and find out just how many of them deserve the tag “navel-gazing.” … be warned, I guess
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Interesting! I'd go further and say that the context of the entertainers directly or indirectly affects their creative output and that fans know this to be true. So we're just trying to understand that output better by figuring out the context it came from. I think this is more easily understood when you take the example of historical classics (Pride and Prejudice often involves discussions of women in the Victorian era), but people wouldn't make that connection in the case of their favourite TV show or movie. But the fact is, if an actor/band has achieved a lot of commercial success they can afford to go on to offbeat independent projects or take risks with their sound. Which would definitely help fans deal with changes in their creative output.
Damn, you're trying to convert me to RPS aren't you? ;-)
Ahahah! At this point in the newness of my RPS love, I don't think it would be conversion -- I think it would be dragging you along for the ride. (and I'm cool with that, join the party, the water's fine
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when I write a story about Remus and Sirius having sex, I am saying that JKR's experience doesn't matterHmm, not disagreeing with you exactly - I'm first on that Author is Dead bandwagon. But when you're* writing Remus/Sirius (or X/Y for that matter) you're still trying to place their relationship in canon, in context. You're basically going "Oh these two are so close, they've been through so much together, where's their relationship going now?" IOW, the R/S ship grows organically from within canon itself - I think that's why it has such a large following. And so for all those people, R/T seemed to come out of nowhere because there was no previous context established for it. So then they're still struggling to place R/T in context and in the attempt to do so, you fall back on the author's intent
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I actually think we agree with each other, I'm just not articulating my point well.
I think that the filling-in-places, the continuing of the narrative, the applying my context to JKR's is what fandom is about. When I said in my previous post that JKR's experience didn't matter, I suppose I was simplifying it a bit.
What I mean to say is that when I write a story about Remus and Sirius having sex, I am writing a narrative that is tangential to JKR's. Tangent being used in the sense of having a point of intersection, but then going in different directions. That point of intersection is what makes the narrative a part of fanfiction -- the canon is being used -- but it is what also makes the narrative a form of truth seeking. We are trying to discover/explore things about the canon, I guess, and using stories to discover said things.
(also, this is neither here nor there, but I adore you. you always comment on my crazy, rambley late-night posts with such intelligence. thanks for making me smile!)
I spotted your comment on metafandom and thought I'd come over.
I write and read RPS (popslash), and am at the same time a fan of my dear sparkly boys. There's a strange duality in being a fan in two different dimensions, but one thing I find these days is that it seems to me to be wrong to speculate about them in any other context than fiction... Let me attempt to explain: Lance Bass is of course the most obvious case, being gay and out. There's a community to discuss his doings, and in it, fans will occasionally speculate on his life - why did he break up with the last boyfriend, for example. And I don't want to do that, or to read other people doing that, because my reaction is, if you want to understand what might have happened, write a story!
I think it makes sense, especially if you consider that fandom already has norms that say stories are okay. I mean, we are used to considering stories as things that don't count insofar as being intrusive.
HELLO I just wanted to say that I just saw a commercial for this show on MTV that was was, 'THE MADE-UP HISTORY OF: ' and my brain went 'LIKE FANFIC!?' and yeah I thought of this post so. Hi.
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Damn, you're trying to convert me to RPS aren't you? ;-)
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I think that the filling-in-places, the continuing of the narrative, the applying my context to JKR's is what fandom is about. When I said in my previous post that JKR's experience didn't matter, I suppose I was simplifying it a bit.
What I mean to say is that when I write a story about Remus and Sirius having sex, I am writing a narrative that is tangential to JKR's. Tangent being used in the sense of having a point of intersection, but then going in different directions. That point of intersection is what makes the narrative a part of fanfiction -- the canon is being used -- but it is what also makes the narrative a form of truth seeking. We are trying to discover/explore things about the canon, I guess, and using stories to discover said things.
(also, this is neither here nor there, but I adore you. you always comment on my crazy, rambley late-night posts with such intelligence. thanks for making me smile!)
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I write and read RPS (popslash), and am at the same time a fan of my dear sparkly boys. There's a strange duality in being a fan in two different dimensions, but one thing I find these days is that it seems to me to be wrong to speculate about them in any other context than fiction... Let me attempt to explain: Lance Bass is of course the most obvious case, being gay and out. There's a community to discuss his doings, and in it, fans will occasionally speculate on his life - why did he break up with the last boyfriend, for example. And I don't want to do that, or to read other people doing that, because my reaction is, if you want to understand what might have happened, write a story!
Am I weird?
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I think it makes sense, especially if you consider that fandom already has norms that say stories are okay. I mean, we are used to considering stories as things that don't count insofar as being intrusive.
Sorry for the delay in responding.
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