"А как дысали, как дысали!", или "Кенгуру на измене"
MH17: Australia Say Russia Not To Blame, Evidence Tampered With
The official Australian investigation into the cause of the crash of Malaysian Airlines MH17 have accused the Dutch Safety Board (DSB) of failing to provide “conclusive evidence” of what exactly destroyed the aircraft, and say that Russia did not shoot down the plane despite accusations to the contrary from DSB.
The senior Australian policeman investigating the MH17 crash, Detective Superintendent Andrew Donoghue (на фотографии - слева), testified in an international court recently saying that a “tougher standard than the DSB report” is required before the criminal investigation can identify the weapon that caused the crash.
Donoghue also testified that ten months after the crash, only half of the planes fuselage fragments were handed over for inspection and that “some fragments were not consistent with debris of the aircraft”.
The Australian Federal Police and Dutch police and prosecutors investigating the cause of the crash of Malaysian Airlines MH17 believe the Dutch Safety Board (DSB) has failed to provide “conclusive evidence” of what type of munition destroyed the aircraft, causing the deaths of 283 passengers and 15 crew on board.
Testifying for the first time in an international court, Detective Superintendent Andrew Donoghoe, the senior Australian policeman in the international MH17 investigation, said a “tougher standard than the DSB report” is required before the criminal investigation can identify the weapon which brought the aircraft down, or pinpoint the perpetrators. Their criminal investigation will continue into 2016, Donoghoe told the Victorian Coroners Court on Tuesday morning. He and other international investigators are unconvinced by reports from the US and Ukrainian governments, and by the DSB, of a Buk missile firing. “Dutch prosecutors require conclusive evidence on other types of missile,” Donoghoe said, intimating that “initial information that the aircraft was shot down by a [Buk] surface to air missile” did not meet the Australian or international standard of evidence.
The Coroners Court in Melbourne is the first in the world to hold an inquest into the MH17 crash on July 17, 2014, and the cause of death of those on board. Iain West (right), the deputy state coroner presided, after the state coroner, Judge Ian Gray, withdrew at the last minute. The inquest opened for a single hour of hearing on Tuesday. A second hearing is
scheduled for Wednesday, when West will announce his findings. In the UK, where an investigation into the death of 10 British nationals, is being supervised by Leicestershire coroner, Catherine Mason, all court proceedings have been suspended without a date being set for inquest. It was reported in the Melbourne court that British post-mortem experts participated in the Dutch investigations, alongside Australian, Dutch, and German teams, plus a joint Indonesian-Malaysian group.
In the Melbourne courtroom press reporters outnumbered representatives of the families of several of the victims. Of the 28 Australian citizens killed, 11 were from Victoria state; 10 were permanent residents of Australia; and 3 had close ties to Australia. A local newspaper owned by Rupert Murdoch reported from the courtroom “the Kuala Lumpur-bound Malaysia Airlines flight… was hit by a Russian-made surface-to-air missile over eastern Ukraine”. In fact, Donoghoe of the AFP said this was an unverified claim by the DSB for “a missile of a type previously provided to Ukraine.”
In court, in addition to members of the Coroner’s staff, there was one government intelligence agent who kept his official identification tag inside his coat, and refused to say whether he was an Australian or American national (скорей всего, "смотрящий" за "родственниками жертв").
Donoghoe was the lead witness. He continues to direct a team of 22 Australian police, forensic specialists and intelligent agents stationed in The Netherlands and Ukraine. He was followed by Dr David Ranson (на фотке вверху - справа), a Victorian pathologist who led a team of 4; they worked at the Dutch military base at Hilversum in July and August of 2014, after the bodies of the MH17 victims were taken there for identification and forensic analysis. Donoghoe said a full report by the AFP had been included in the coroner’s evidence. Ranson has filed two reports with the coroner - one of August 25, 2014, and one on December 16, 2014. So far the Coroner has classified these documents as secret (вот так вот: патолагоанатом и криминалист дают свои выводы, а следак их секретит. Боится утечки информации о старых советских "Буках"?) For details, read this (тоже весьма доставляющая статейка с занятными фотками, например вот так выглядит выкладка "останков" MH-17:
Где остальные 200 тонн? Пых-пых косячком - вот и весь ответ от голландцев).
Testifying on oath, Donoghoe revealed for the first time that the Australian government had quietly negotiated two agreements to investigate the crash site in eastern Ukraine. The first, he said, was with the Ukrainian government in Kiev for security around the crash site. The second was with Novorussian leaders in order for the Australians to carry out their searches for victims’ bodies, personal property and other evidence, as well as to run a command post in Donetsk city. Political recognition by the Australians of the separatists has never been acknowledged before. Donoghoe refused to say who signed the agreement for the Novorussians. (Так кто же все-таки порешал все вопросы с "сепаратистами" и "боевиками"?)
For the first time also, Donoghoe acknowledged publicly that the international investigators had had “no ability to collect aircraft parts or other debris”. It was not until May 2015, he added, that forensic examination of the aircraft began.
DUTCH SAFETY BOARD TAMPERING WITH MH17 FUSELAGE EVIDENCE
(Голландцы подделали доказательства. Проще говоря, пробили дырки. И зачем Донахью, который всю жизнь строил карьеру криминалиста, брать на себя чужие косяки?)
The recovered aircraft wreckage was first photographed and registered in The Netherlands by the DSB. Image-1 shows the first DSB photograph, with a single hole visible. Image-2 shows that a new photograph published by DSB reveals a second hole. See here. /p>
In his testimony Donoghoe said that ten months after the crash, and after Kiev officials had handed over less than half (скромно как звучит - "меньше половины". Ну да, 10% явно меньше 50%) the fuselage fragments to the Dutch, the discovery was made of “some fragments not consistent with debris of the aircraft”.
Не, ну гонит кенгуру! Разве вот это не обломки самолета?
Посоны тк старалиь, аккуратно нарезали, а Донахью ишь какой привередливый - не те обломки, говорит, не подходят!
Остальные фотки работы гидроножниц по металлу можно найти здесь: А Боинги все падали.)
Had he found shrapnel from an explosive device, missile or cannon? Donoghoe refused to answer. The deaths of the passengers, he testified, had been caused by “inflight breakup [of the aircraft] and immediate decompression”, not by munitions. The lack of shrapnel as evidence of cause of death is analysed here.
Australian police calls for Ukrainian witnesses on the ground, who may have seen or heard what happened on the fateful day, were issued in March 2015, and then again in June. Some of those who came forward to testify refused to do so, Donoghoe said Tuesday, unless the Australian and Dutch police protected them in “a safe location”; excluded Ukrainian government officials; and kept the identities of the witnesses secret.
Asked whether there had been any evidence of disrespect towards the victims’ bodies on the ground - as has been claimed in reporting by the Murdoch media - Donoghoe testified: “there was no evidence of disrespect towards the bodies.”
Ranson, who is an associate professor of forensic pathology and deputy director of the Victorian Institute of Forensic Medicine, told the court he and his team had spent two and half weeks studying the victims’ bodies at Hilversum. There, he confirmed, X-rays and CT scans were carried out and more than 700 autopsies. He testified that when the Australian victims’ bodies were repatriated to the morgue at the Coroners Court, another CT scan was taken of each body, and matched against the scan taken at Hilversum. Ranson’s reports ruling out the presence of shrapnel from a missile strike in any of the MH17 bodies have been kept secret to date.
On oath, Ranson told Coroner West the deaths of the passengers had been caused by the aircraft breaking up. He dismissed the possibility that an oxygen mask found on a body on the ground had been worn by the victim. (Декомпрессию могли устроить для пассажиров первого Боинга, пропавшего еще 8 марта. Например, сбросили давление в салоне и/или открыли (вышибли) двери. Кто-то успел надеть маску и так в ней и умер, возможно совсем не от декомпрессии, а, к примеру, от контрольного в голову для слишком умных. Зачищавшие салон, естественно, был в защитном снаряжении, им декомпрессия не грозила. Самолет находился в воздухе еще 7 часов, после того, как резко изменил курс и перестал отвечать на запросы с земли. За это время наступило окоченение. Вот и решили маску не снимать, когда подбрасывали тело в Донецк, потому что все равно по следам будет видно, что маска была надета. На этом и спалились - одна из азбучных истин следствия гласит: "ищи на месте преступления то, что должно быть, но чего нет, а также то, чего не должно быть, но оно почему-то есть"). There was no DNA evidence to support that, and little likelihood, Ranson said, that the high-speed airflow through the aircraft at decompression would have left oxygen masks on the victims, if they had time to put them on. Death came too fast, Ranson believes.
The court heard that the survivors of the crash victims have been regularly briefed and counselled by Australian Government officials. They have also been coached not to answer press questions, although one admitted his family had been allowed to meet lawyers. Three statements were given in evidence at the inquest by representatives of the victims. One from members of the Van Den Hende family - Shaliza Dewal, her husband Hans Van Den Hende and their three children Piers, 15, Marnix, 12, and daughter Margaux, 8, were killed - said media reports of the crash were unreliable and unconvincing: “we are unsure who or what to believe.”
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Статья далеко не в ведущих СМИ опубликована и судебное заседание местного австралийского суда - это так, маленький междусобойчик, о котором неполживые СМИ даже не упомянут. Но сам факт юридического оформления фейковости "сбитого" Боинга весьма показателен.
И надо ж такому случится, что именно сегодня хер Питер сорвался в Брюссель в компании с Климкиным и начальником Генштаба. С Сеней на авиакорыто ходил Полторак, а с хером Питером в Брюссель на порку вызвали начальника Генштаба, поскольку именно он, а не министр обороны, руководит боевыми действиями. До сегодняшнего дня цэевропейцы нагнетали обстановку на Донбассе. Посмотрим, что запоют они через пару дней, после того, как им в НАТО доведут официальную точку зрения США, согласованную Керри с Лавровым. Что-то подсказывает, что очень скоро на Восточном фронте установится тишь, гладь и Божья благодать, а хер Питер начнет петь о мире. Если он под это дело порежет нахрен расходы на войну, заложенные в бюджет-2016 Сеней, то будет вообще хорошо. Сеня от такого поворота может и сам уйти - что же ему, такому кгасивому, за официальную зарплату работать, что ли?
Так что подождем еще немного.
The official Australian investigation into the cause of the crash of Malaysian Airlines MH17 have accused the Dutch Safety Board (DSB) of failing to provide “conclusive evidence” of what exactly destroyed the aircraft, and say that Russia did not shoot down the plane despite accusations to the contrary from DSB.
The senior Australian policeman investigating the MH17 crash, Detective Superintendent Andrew Donoghue (на фотографии - слева), testified in an international court recently saying that a “tougher standard than the DSB report” is required before the criminal investigation can identify the weapon that caused the crash.
Donoghue also testified that ten months after the crash, only half of the planes fuselage fragments were handed over for inspection and that “some fragments were not consistent with debris of the aircraft”.
The Australian Federal Police and Dutch police and prosecutors investigating the cause of the crash of Malaysian Airlines MH17 believe the Dutch Safety Board (DSB) has failed to provide “conclusive evidence” of what type of munition destroyed the aircraft, causing the deaths of 283 passengers and 15 crew on board.
Testifying for the first time in an international court, Detective Superintendent Andrew Donoghoe, the senior Australian policeman in the international MH17 investigation, said a “tougher standard than the DSB report” is required before the criminal investigation can identify the weapon which brought the aircraft down, or pinpoint the perpetrators. Their criminal investigation will continue into 2016, Donoghoe told the Victorian Coroners Court on Tuesday morning. He and other international investigators are unconvinced by reports from the US and Ukrainian governments, and by the DSB, of a Buk missile firing. “Dutch prosecutors require conclusive evidence on other types of missile,” Donoghoe said, intimating that “initial information that the aircraft was shot down by a [Buk] surface to air missile” did not meet the Australian or international standard of evidence.
The Coroners Court in Melbourne is the first in the world to hold an inquest into the MH17 crash on July 17, 2014, and the cause of death of those on board. Iain West (right), the deputy state coroner presided, after the state coroner, Judge Ian Gray, withdrew at the last minute. The inquest opened for a single hour of hearing on Tuesday. A second hearing is
scheduled for Wednesday, when West will announce his findings. In the UK, where an investigation into the death of 10 British nationals, is being supervised by Leicestershire coroner, Catherine Mason, all court proceedings have been suspended without a date being set for inquest. It was reported in the Melbourne court that British post-mortem experts participated in the Dutch investigations, alongside Australian, Dutch, and German teams, plus a joint Indonesian-Malaysian group.
In the Melbourne courtroom press reporters outnumbered representatives of the families of several of the victims. Of the 28 Australian citizens killed, 11 were from Victoria state; 10 were permanent residents of Australia; and 3 had close ties to Australia. A local newspaper owned by Rupert Murdoch reported from the courtroom “the Kuala Lumpur-bound Malaysia Airlines flight… was hit by a Russian-made surface-to-air missile over eastern Ukraine”. In fact, Donoghoe of the AFP said this was an unverified claim by the DSB for “a missile of a type previously provided to Ukraine.”
In court, in addition to members of the Coroner’s staff, there was one government intelligence agent who kept his official identification tag inside his coat, and refused to say whether he was an Australian or American national (скорей всего, "смотрящий" за "родственниками жертв").
Donoghoe was the lead witness. He continues to direct a team of 22 Australian police, forensic specialists and intelligent agents stationed in The Netherlands and Ukraine. He was followed by Dr David Ranson (на фотке вверху - справа), a Victorian pathologist who led a team of 4; they worked at the Dutch military base at Hilversum in July and August of 2014, after the bodies of the MH17 victims were taken there for identification and forensic analysis. Donoghoe said a full report by the AFP had been included in the coroner’s evidence. Ranson has filed two reports with the coroner - one of August 25, 2014, and one on December 16, 2014. So far the Coroner has classified these documents as secret (вот так вот: патолагоанатом и криминалист дают свои выводы, а следак их секретит. Боится утечки информации о старых советских "Буках"?) For details, read this (тоже весьма доставляющая статейка с занятными фотками, например вот так выглядит выкладка "останков" MH-17:
Где остальные 200 тонн? Пых-пых косячком - вот и весь ответ от голландцев).
Testifying on oath, Donoghoe revealed for the first time that the Australian government had quietly negotiated two agreements to investigate the crash site in eastern Ukraine. The first, he said, was with the Ukrainian government in Kiev for security around the crash site. The second was with Novorussian leaders in order for the Australians to carry out their searches for victims’ bodies, personal property and other evidence, as well as to run a command post in Donetsk city. Political recognition by the Australians of the separatists has never been acknowledged before. Donoghoe refused to say who signed the agreement for the Novorussians. (Так кто же все-таки порешал все вопросы с "сепаратистами" и "боевиками"?)
For the first time also, Donoghoe acknowledged publicly that the international investigators had had “no ability to collect aircraft parts or other debris”. It was not until May 2015, he added, that forensic examination of the aircraft began.
DUTCH SAFETY BOARD TAMPERING WITH MH17 FUSELAGE EVIDENCE
(Голландцы подделали доказательства. Проще говоря, пробили дырки. И зачем Донахью, который всю жизнь строил карьеру криминалиста, брать на себя чужие косяки?)
The recovered aircraft wreckage was first photographed and registered in The Netherlands by the DSB. Image-1 shows the first DSB photograph, with a single hole visible. Image-2 shows that a new photograph published by DSB reveals a second hole. See here. /p>
In his testimony Donoghoe said that ten months after the crash, and after Kiev officials had handed over less than half (скромно как звучит - "меньше половины". Ну да, 10% явно меньше 50%) the fuselage fragments to the Dutch, the discovery was made of “some fragments not consistent with debris of the aircraft”.
Не, ну гонит кенгуру! Разве вот это не обломки самолета?
Посоны тк старалиь, аккуратно нарезали, а Донахью ишь какой привередливый - не те обломки, говорит, не подходят!
Остальные фотки работы гидроножниц по металлу можно найти здесь: А Боинги все падали.)
Had he found shrapnel from an explosive device, missile or cannon? Donoghoe refused to answer. The deaths of the passengers, he testified, had been caused by “inflight breakup [of the aircraft] and immediate decompression”, not by munitions. The lack of shrapnel as evidence of cause of death is analysed here.
Australian police calls for Ukrainian witnesses on the ground, who may have seen or heard what happened on the fateful day, were issued in March 2015, and then again in June. Some of those who came forward to testify refused to do so, Donoghoe said Tuesday, unless the Australian and Dutch police protected them in “a safe location”; excluded Ukrainian government officials; and kept the identities of the witnesses secret.
Asked whether there had been any evidence of disrespect towards the victims’ bodies on the ground - as has been claimed in reporting by the Murdoch media - Donoghoe testified: “there was no evidence of disrespect towards the bodies.”
Ranson, who is an associate professor of forensic pathology and deputy director of the Victorian Institute of Forensic Medicine, told the court he and his team had spent two and half weeks studying the victims’ bodies at Hilversum. There, he confirmed, X-rays and CT scans were carried out and more than 700 autopsies. He testified that when the Australian victims’ bodies were repatriated to the morgue at the Coroners Court, another CT scan was taken of each body, and matched against the scan taken at Hilversum. Ranson’s reports ruling out the presence of shrapnel from a missile strike in any of the MH17 bodies have been kept secret to date.
On oath, Ranson told Coroner West the deaths of the passengers had been caused by the aircraft breaking up. He dismissed the possibility that an oxygen mask found on a body on the ground had been worn by the victim. (Декомпрессию могли устроить для пассажиров первого Боинга, пропавшего еще 8 марта. Например, сбросили давление в салоне и/или открыли (вышибли) двери. Кто-то успел надеть маску и так в ней и умер, возможно совсем не от декомпрессии, а, к примеру, от контрольного в голову для слишком умных. Зачищавшие салон, естественно, был в защитном снаряжении, им декомпрессия не грозила. Самолет находился в воздухе еще 7 часов, после того, как резко изменил курс и перестал отвечать на запросы с земли. За это время наступило окоченение. Вот и решили маску не снимать, когда подбрасывали тело в Донецк, потому что все равно по следам будет видно, что маска была надета. На этом и спалились - одна из азбучных истин следствия гласит: "ищи на месте преступления то, что должно быть, но чего нет, а также то, чего не должно быть, но оно почему-то есть"). There was no DNA evidence to support that, and little likelihood, Ranson said, that the high-speed airflow through the aircraft at decompression would have left oxygen masks on the victims, if they had time to put them on. Death came too fast, Ranson believes.
The court heard that the survivors of the crash victims have been regularly briefed and counselled by Australian Government officials. They have also been coached not to answer press questions, although one admitted his family had been allowed to meet lawyers. Three statements were given in evidence at the inquest by representatives of the victims. One from members of the Van Den Hende family - Shaliza Dewal, her husband Hans Van Den Hende and their three children Piers, 15, Marnix, 12, and daughter Margaux, 8, were killed - said media reports of the crash were unreliable and unconvincing: “we are unsure who or what to believe.”
***
Статья далеко не в ведущих СМИ опубликована и судебное заседание местного австралийского суда - это так, маленький междусобойчик, о котором неполживые СМИ даже не упомянут. Но сам факт юридического оформления фейковости "сбитого" Боинга весьма показателен.
И надо ж такому случится, что именно сегодня хер Питер сорвался в Брюссель в компании с Климкиным и начальником Генштаба. С Сеней на авиакорыто ходил Полторак, а с хером Питером в Брюссель на порку вызвали начальника Генштаба, поскольку именно он, а не министр обороны, руководит боевыми действиями. До сегодняшнего дня цэевропейцы нагнетали обстановку на Донбассе. Посмотрим, что запоют они через пару дней, после того, как им в НАТО доведут официальную точку зрения США, согласованную Керри с Лавровым. Что-то подсказывает, что очень скоро на Восточном фронте установится тишь, гладь и Божья благодать, а хер Питер начнет петь о мире. Если он под это дело порежет нахрен расходы на войну, заложенные в бюджет-2016 Сеней, то будет вообще хорошо. Сеня от такого поворота может и сам уйти - что же ему, такому кгасивому, за официальную зарплату работать, что ли?
Так что подождем еще немного.