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[dear_tiger]

I almost finished the last season of The Killing finally, and it sucked. I love that show and I love that they quit once they were done telling the story, but damn, that last season. Can they possibly drop any more parallels, subtle as an anvil? Suddenly everyone was having the exact same melodrama, everyone wanted to coddle that kid, and half the

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[amberdreams]

Saints and villains - and guess what, writers and show runners are probably falling somewhere in between the two most of the time, but that doesn't stop one person seeing them as one role and another person seeing them as the other role at any given moment. Me, I'm a bit of a pendulum - I read one point of view and understand it and agree, then read the opposite and find myself doing the same. Then at the end of the day, I discover I've come to rest somewhere in the middle, so it seems I was a plumb bob all along.

I think I'm rambling and making no sense whatsoever and it must be time for bed. I managed to upset one of my flisties yesterday with a comment that disagreed with something they posted, and still feel bad about it, because I normally don't bother telling people if their arguments aren't convincing. Next time I'll just shut the hell up.

However, I very much like your post here. So there.

[dear_tiger]

Yeah, I'm so done with the fandom bullshit and people getting upset that someone is watching their TV wrong, so not even going there. You're the second person today that tells me "I should just shut up next time, because look, somebody ran off crying because of my opinion on some abstract subject".

I just thought that the topic of authorial intent in general was interesting, and I don't believe that in any books on writing I've read anyone ever said about the importance of how readers perceive your own feelings toward the subject/character. And it is important! I want to know that the author feels the same way I do about the characters.

[amberdreams]

I've not read a lot of books on writing but your post seemed to raise some pretty important points that I'll definitely keep in mind when writing. The other thing I hadn't really thought about much until I started writing again more seriously, was that the character/s you the writer think are the important ones, the sympathetic ones, the ones the reader will like because you the writer like them - don't always pan out how you expect. Hey, guess what, your readers are different people and like different things - and the character you thought was your hero to them is just a dick.

[dear_tiger]

Yeah, I think you're right about how different people will perceive your character. Although probably if I write someone I think is a sympathetic hero and everybody else thinks he's a dick, I probably did something wrong somewhere.

How is writing going anyway? Any progress on sequel/rewrite? :D

[ephermeralk]

oooh, SPN people. Everyone gets so feisty over their particular opinion. BUT YES. LOCKING CARVER INTO THE BASEMENT IS THE CLEAR SOLUTION TO ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS.

Inquisition style, hopefully.

I for one, totally agree that authorial intention is important to me as the reader. It's important to see how the author felt about his/her character, and the morality behind the creation. Of course, there's always people taking things completely differently than how you intended them in your head.

For example, a fair amount of the fanfic that I write, I feel like has super dubious morality, although often I try to be semi-subtle about it, and weaving it into hopefully people that are flawed. However, about half the time, I swear, people just see puppies and roses. Is that what I intended? Usually not at all, haha

I've never seen house (which from your description sounds awful), silence of the lambs, or sorority boys

[dear_tiger]

How many of us are here because we saw some incestuous subtext in SPN and thought it was the best shit ever, even though most of that crowd doesn't believe that, cuffed to a pipe in the basement and hooked to a lie detector, Kripke would say he meant SPN that way. But then we're all like, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW THAT THEY MEANT IT THAT WAY, SO YOU CAN'T BE HAPPY/UNHAPPY ABOUT IT!

I give a lot of credit to writers like you, Sonofabiscuit77 and Homo_pink who write dubious morality in characters but never give a sense that they somehow condone the characters' actions. Personally, I prefer there to be some level of redemption, but I totally respect stories where the characters go on being horrible people all the way through, for as long as I don't think that the author means to say that they're so super-special-snowflake in love that they should get a free pass on shitty behavior.

Silence of the Lambs, the original movie with Jodie Foster, is definitely worth seeing.

Book discussion is fun! :D

[ephermeralk]

hahah. Not sure my name should be mentioned in the same subject as my two favorite fanfic authors authors...

but thank you ♥ ♥

I must say, my heart jumps with glee every time anyone is like "that's a little bit creepy" or "I feel so conflicted about liking this", and I've thought about bringing those dubious morality issues more to the surface, but then I decided, that nope. They're what I usually see, but they're not the focus, only bits and pieces of what makes up a person and their choices.

So when people do see it, I squeal like a kid getting candy, but if they don't, they can have their puppies and roses. That's fine too.

But. Uh. Yeah. I don't actually condone most of my character's actions. And no one is a super special snowflake (except maybe whale!Jared, and sloth!Dean) in my world.

Though I prefer non-redemption. This is unsurprising, hahah.

Yayyyy!! book discussion :D I'm glad you're writing, although I am SO going to miss a BB fic from you this year!

[dear_tiger]

Your name totally belongs in the same category as those other two ladies :D

Oooooh, I love that! Burying things in the plot, like subtle creepiness, that not everybody will pick up on but when they do you can feel extra proud of yourself. I approve! I do that a lot, too, though not so much with creepiness.

And thank you. I'm going to miss writing a BB. It's such an experience!

[tebtosca]

I wish I could lock Carver into a basement. The basement where they have been keeping the Continuity Department since 2009 lol

[dear_tiger]

I bet they all write super awesome fic in that basement, for lack of better things to do :D

[tebtosca]

LOL my delightfully morbid friend likes to say that the current Carver is wearing the real!Carver's meatsuit and real Carver (aka Kripke-era-Carver) is in the dungeon, writing out the Mystery Spot sequel in his blood on the wall.

[dear_tiger]

Hehehehe! If the Continuity Department is down there with him writing that sequel, I hope they get rescued, just so that we could read that fic.

[galwithglasses]

This is only slightly related to authorial intent in fiction but the place I really want to know about the author's intent is in poetry and song lyrics....I know I'm hearing or reading what I want into the writing but it's also really great to get at the writing from the author's perspective. Getting at authorial intent in a non-fiction work can be vital to getting at bias and evaluating it's assumptions and conclusions. I know that's off the topic some here but some days it's much more fun to contemplate poetry and music than anything that Carver may or may not be doing with his intent. Chances are even if people hooked Carver up to the intent detector, people are still going to see the story the way they want anyway. It would be helpful sometimes with a show like SPN to have some idea about intent though because sometimes they seem to be trying really hard to take things in a specific direction and then something misfires and they end up in a weird spot plot-wise and you sit there and wonder if they forgot to film a scene or you

[amberdreams]

Aye, and in your cooking analogy, Carver seems to be a somewhat careless Head Cook. Hence continuity keeps getting singed.

[galwithglasses]

Out of the corner of my eye, I thought this said headless cook.......

[amberdreams]

ha ha ha is that why you used a Sean Bean icon - poor headless Ned...

[manzanita_crow]

Can't we just fire Carver instead? (out a cannon for example?)

[dear_tiger]

[tsuki_no_bara]

perfect choice of a. movie, and b. screencap. and not just because it cracked me right up.

[manzanita_crow]

Oh please please please!