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Chapter Two: Spinner's End

Aug 23, 2005 14:46

Chapter Two:Spinner's End
In this chapter, we see Narcissa Malfoy pay a secret visit to Severus Snape while her sister, Bellatrix Lestrange, tries to stop her but ends up joining her at Snape's home. We learn Wormtail is residing with Snape, and Bellatrix openly states her distrust of Snape as she questions his loyalty to the Dark Lord. Snape has ( Read more... )

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Snape: great arachnid architect rainpuddle13 August 23 2005, 21:26:05 UTC

This chapter, without a doubt, was meant to cast doubt on Snape's loyalty to Dumbledore. I mean we've always had doubts because Snape has never been completely black and white, but this chapter really makes the reader re-evaluate everything they thought they knew about Snape ( ... )

Re: Snape: great arachnid architect dragonsangel68 August 25 2005, 13:44:24 UTC

He apparently has a house in a Muggle neighborhood? How many of us thought that he lived at Hogwarts?

Actually I read an interview with JKR somewhere and she stated that only Dumbledore and someone else (I've forgotten at the moment who, but it wasn't Snape) stayed at Hogwarts year round.

I, for one, never pictured Snape living in a Muggle neighborhood.

Re: Snape: great arachnid architect rainpuddle13 August 25 2005, 16:36:47 UTC

I must have missed that particular snippit of information, but it does make sense. Snape has to have someplace to meet off grounds and a house somewhere. I always assumed it would be someplace secluded, out of the way and well alway from Muggles. So it just seemed odd to me.

Re: Snape: great arachnid architect dragonsangel68 August 26 2005, 07:29:47 UTC

It does seem odd. He doesn't appear to have great patience for Muggles or those he considers his inferiors so actually living among Muggles just doesn't really fit with the Snape we know and love. JKR is the master of twists though...

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dragonsangel68 August 24 2005, 15:23:46 UTC

1. I have to agree with the awesomeness of this particular chapter. I don’t think we've been privileged to get quite so much information in one chapter before and most especially about the dynamics of the Black sisters and Snape. It truly is a wonderful insight into his character ( ... )

dragonsangel68 August 24 2005, 15:28:40 UTC

5. You are Lucius' old friend This one statement from Narcissa speaks volumes. Snape is close with the Malfoys and has possibly been on such terms since well before Draco was born. Probably more so Lucius than Narcissa (given her words), but there is a level of respect and friendship in the way he addresses her ( ... )

rainpuddle13 August 24 2005, 17:21:31 UTC

11. I agree he (Snape) doesn't want to kill Dumbledore. We know Dumbledore is the only one Voldemort is truly afraid of, so with his death (Dumbledore's) Voldemort would no longer fear any living wizard and things would more than likely escalate swiftly.

rslilly August 24 2005, 19:46:56 UTC

I must say that I do not believe Snape is "evil." (a jerk, yeah... evil, no) But how are we to justify his claims of allegiance to Voldemort- especially his claims that he is responsible for the information leading to the murder of Emmeline Vance and Sirius Black.

Do you think that it is true- did he provide the Dark Lord with the information? Knowing the secretive nature of Voldemort and the Death Eaters, Snape may be claiming responsibilty for something he didn't do.

But, more likely, is that this is true, but he (and Dumbledore) saw this as something he had to do to continue in his position. But is everything Snape has done to keep Voldemort's trust been worth it? His position has obviously helped Voldemort and the Death Eaters, but how has it helped the Order, and the fight against Voldemort? Or how is he planning on helping by being in this position?

dragonsangel68 August 25 2005, 13:52:30 UTC

We know from OotP that a great deal of the information Voldemort gained on Sirius came from Kreacher, through Narcissa Malfoy. So I tend to lean more towards Snape taking credit for something he had nothing to do with. However, he wouldn't do this in front of Bellatrix unless he knew he could get away with it - Snape obviously has a more realistic view of how Voldemort operates with his secrets than Bellatrix, who seems to believe she knew everything that was going on with Voldemort but is shown to be lacking in some areas by Snape.

rainpuddle13 August 25 2005, 16:35:02 UTC

You're definitely right about Bella - she operates in this fantasy world where she's the most ardent follower and Voldemort trusts her beyond reason when it's more than apparent that is far from the case. I think this will be a very difficult discovery for her in the next book. Loyalty on her part isn't necessarily reciprocated.

I still be Snape is in the you hold your friends close and you enemies closer state with Voldemort. He might think he has Voldemort's grace, but you never know. Voldemort isn't stupid by any stretch of the imagination, but neither is Snape. It is a very dangerous game the two of them are playing and it will be very interesting to see how it plays out in the next book.

dragonsangel68 August 26 2005, 07:49:07 UTC

I'm sure Bellatrix will come to believe, in time, that Voldemort trusts no one besides himself - Snape has much fun pointing out how little he trusts her now. This could help the Order to some degree, if Bellatrix feels betrayed by Voldemort then I don't think she's likely to do everything he asks unquestioningly and she's already begun to question his decisions.

I think Snape is well aware that Voldemort doesn't fully trust him, or anyone else. Perhaps this is a more viable reason for Wormtail's presence in Snape's home - as a spy of sorts. Wormtail would tell Voldemort anything that could elevate his standing within the DEs.

rainpuddle13 August 26 2005, 12:43:38 UTC

The one thing I did really like about this chapter was finally getting some insight into the inner workings of the Malfoy family. It is more than apparent that Narcissa loves her only child, so much so that she's willing to defy anyone and anything to protect him now that Lucius is unavailable for the task ( ... )

dragonsangel68 August 26 2005, 14:34:29 UTC

Narcissa has certainly stepped up into the protection role and while she can't physically be there all year she's made sure to find someone who will in Snape.

I agree, Snape must known Draco would be unable to follow through with the mission and had discussed this with Dumbledore. Dumbledore would have immediately thought to stop Draco (without being obvious) from making this mistake, even if it meant sacrificing himself.