*listens to crickets chirping*

[delylah]

Someone in the Spock/Uhura community linked to this post:

Who is the ultimate HBIC?I thought it was kind of fun, so I nominated Cate Banfield from ER (on page 11 or so), though there were lots of HBIC’s I could have voted for: Lisa Cuddy, Lt. Uhura, Cordelia Chase, Buffy Summers, Laura Roslin, Kara Thrace…too many to mention. Saw Hermione (there

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[madderbrad]

It took me a few minutes to research what 'HBIC' actually means. :-)

Ginny as a HBIC? Oh, come on. Maybe in a very small-scale way - seeing as how I complain that she's an aggressive little bully in HBP I guess I have to concede that - but 'in charge'? The girl who stayed behind when Harry said "stay!" (not that she tried very hard to go with him)? The girl who obediently stayed in the RoR when she was told not to take part in the battle (and only got out when Harry tossed her out in pursuit of Malfoy)? The girl who allowed Harry total dominance over the naming of all three of their children?

Ginny was good at slyly tripping brothers and mocking people behind their backs, plus some one-on-one bullying (again, with surprise attacks) but someone who actually 'took charge'? Nah.

(Although I'm possibly missing out on huge slabs of 'HBIC' popular context.)

[delylah]

Somehow I knew when I made this post that you would respond with a slam against Ginny. Aren't you bored with that, yet?

[madderbrad]

Aren't you bored with that, yet?Well, I'm on LJ primarily because of my interest in and involvement with the HP fandom; I saw your HP-related comment; I disagreed with your thinking that Ginny is anywhere close to (what I understand to be) 'HBIC' status; so I expressed my opinion. Like I said, that's largely why I'm on LJ, because of my interest in HP, and discussion of same. So no, I'm not bored with that. But maybe the fact that I made the comment could have led you to that conclusion

[delylah]

I never said whether or not I thought Ginny qualified as the ultimate HBIC. I simply made the observation that no one had nominated her.

As for your "interest" and "involvement" in HP fandom, you seem to spend an awful lot of time ranting about a character and two books you profess to hate, but you never bother ranting in your own journal. Instead, you go about making disparaging comments about one of H/G fans' favorite characters in their journals, which makes me suspect that your primary goal, rather than intellectual discourse, is to piss people off, which makes you a Troll.

However, I'll play along for now. A bully is generally considered to be superior in size, strength, or power (physical, monetary, political, influential, intellectual, magical, whatever) to the person they are bullying. So do tell me where in HBP Ginny is bullying anyone she is larger or more powerful than? Did she attack someone with magical birds? Or perhaps she confunded a completely innocent, unsuspecting student?

[delylah]

You introduced a topic about Ginny; I pointed out how the canon contradicted your position. How was I to know that you "wish to keep your opinion" to yourself ... when you'd expressed part of that opinion in the first place? *scratches head*What position? I did not imply a position on whether Ginny qualified as HBIC to the affirmative or negative. You presumed I had a position. The simple act of including her name did not imply I had a position either way

[madderbrad]

... comments in which you, yourself, said you didn't feel it necessary to tear down other people's ships or favorite characters in order to boost your own, and that shipping zealots were scary

Sounds reasonable, and I still feel that way. I've 'met' a few real crazies in the fandom!

Apparently somewhere along the line you started drinking the Koolaid, and that's relevant

And that's flat-out wrong. Negative about Ginny and the (final) HP books, yes. I guess I don't know what 'koolaid' is - I thought it was a soft drink - but more than rationally negative - no. I refute any hand-waving fuzzy "it's all Brad's fault, he's irrational/trollish/unreasable" excuses, thanks. If you wind up deciding that you don't want negative talk about Ginny ... it's your blog, you make the rules. No need to try and shift unjustified blame onto me.

it found me when I was reading something on Fandom Wank the other day.

Really? What's the reference, please?

I can't recall a previous comment in which you referred to Ginny as a bitch ...I don't

[delylah]

It was a wank that happened in May - some kerfuffle over at Leaky Cauldron. I found it while I was looking up a wank that happened in one of R_becca's communities. I followed links from there back to LJ, though I was already aware of the post in Tartanboxer's journal that got you banned

[madderbrad]

I've got to be be careful to honour your wises not to 'bash' Ginny from now on, so I can only discuss the other stuff, like aspects of this discussion itself, fandom, or me. :-)

Thanks for the reference to the Leaky Cauldron discussion; nothing I wrote there to be ashamed of. Actually, nothing about Ginny either?!? The Tartanboxers thing I know about, of course; that was terrifically instructive as to the thinking/behaviour of some members of the pro-Jo neck of the woods. You talk about the 'zealots'!! :-) But, gosh, that was 15 months or so ago?

Could you supply a URL to this 'Fandom Wank' thing, and the 'links back to LJ'? I was referred to the Leaky Cauldron discussion by a friend entirely out of LiveJournal, I think, and didn't know that it was linked back somewhere?

The latter are name calling. Maybe it is the first time you've resorted to name-calling here.There's absolutely nothing wrong with name-calling as far as I can see. If the shoe fits, and all that. If my saying this startles you then perhaps we have a