thank you for the advice, actulaly- this has been my biggest worry form the start- jsut so you know i've discussed it with my teacher thoroughly, we've looked at exisiting essays and articles, as well as history and what not as evidence- also tohug,h since you are right and a lot of this is opinion, this is actually only for a small part of the exssay XD (yes even if it is massive;;) but i felt getting everyone's opinions was quite valid none the less =)
cheers man for the advice =) sorry to ramble by the way!!
At uni we're having lectures on 'the history of illustration' ... its actually pretty depressing. (we started with the invention of print - altho there are older examples I think our lecturer thinks that the past couple hundred years in depth is more useful to us
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unnn, i have thesame exprience from people who read the indie stuff (and yes i read 'indie' too- but it's interesting because recently i got into an argument with a few people over indie it turned out their idea of indie was totally not what i was thinking of! i see indie as everything you described, where as they saw it as the in-jokey comics you get at expos- i am not sure if theyve even heard of any of the comics i consider indie...it's odd
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Too long for one comment, I'll make two!uauauauaNovember 2 2009, 22:45:13 UTC
I think you are right in saying that manga has opened the eyes of a generation, whether they're all young people like us or some older people too. I, as a child, would enjoy reading comics as much as any other medium (although reading novels was definitely my thing at that age) and I have a lot of Beano and Dandy annuals still. Then it progressed to manga, which of course was wonderful to begin with, but then... I realise I began liking things just because it was manga. Because when I first liked it it wasn't widely available - not impossible to get hold of, but if a local bookshop had a few volumes I'd get very excited. As a result, I collected a lot of things I now consider to be rather trite
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Re: Too long for one comment, I'll make two!uauauauaNovember 4 2009, 07:32:15 UTC
No, it's totally relevant! I agree about Pixar. They are undoubtedly one of the best companies in the world for storytelling to me.
And yes, cliches can be okay. It's just when there are so many of them and and it unclear if the author recognises what they're doing... it gets boring.
ah yes- i jsut wanted to say you make a good point because i *think* a lot of comics we know today come from the pulp comics of the fifties, which come from pulp and penny dreadfuls- which were always sort of downplayed because they were made to be cheap and essentially, trash. it's interesting that this is maybe a big reason why illos are considered less highly today.
it is interesting, the fact that noen of this is really done with things like dr.seuss or richard scarry. it's something to think about :)
OK, yeah- i totally agree aobut the facts/opinions thing it's been worrying me from the start! i've discussed it with my teach and we've tohught about it/done lots of resaerch with existing articles and essays furthermore just so yer know this is in fact only a small part of the essay as a result of that- but all the everyone's opiniosn are very important to me for this reason xD
i hope that made sense- sorry to rant by the way lol;;
so, my questions for you lot is generally, what are your veiws on this subject? which 'group' do you think of as most pretentious towards other comics (by the way, you can say all of them- i think so xD)? why do you think that is? and what/who do you think it is that doesn't come under these groups who is it that rises above prentiousness (if anyone) - who is able to make a comic suitable for everyone's tastes- is that even possible?
To the latter question, I don't think it is, or if there was a comic everyone liked, it would not be a comic that everyone loved. To the others - no idea, sorry, you're asking the wrong person. I read stuff I like, and I don't know about anything or anyone else ^^;;
also, where does the matter of opinion end and prentiousness begin? - where do you draw the line at speaking your mind, and just looking down on someone without looking at their stuff? (although maybe that question answers itself :S)I don't really know what makes pretentiousness, I'm afraid. Like I say, I'm really the wrong person to answer
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I think the reason some people like to attack stuff they don't like is a sort of affirmation of their own choice. It might be that they have a preference, and they want to be secure in that preference, so rather than saying 'Oh, I don't really get the X style' (where 'X' is any style), they say 'X is so rubbish!', trying to make it a mark of their own good taste that they don't like X, rather than perhaps admitting that they don't get it. It might almost be a defensive thing. But maybe not, I don't know ^^
Psychology is always interesting, and I'm sure the reaction you describe happens in other situations too. And stop being silly; it's not that people aren't interested in this sort of stuff, it's that personally I feel profoundly ignorant in it, and thus not able to say much ^^;;
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thank you for the advice, actulaly- this has been my biggest worry form the start- jsut so you know i've discussed it with my teacher thoroughly, we've looked at exisiting essays and articles, as well as history and what not as evidence- also tohug,h since you are right and a lot of this is opinion, this is actually only for a small part of the exssay XD (yes even if it is massive;;) but i felt getting everyone's opinions was quite valid none the less =)
cheers man for the advice =) sorry to ramble by the way!!
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And yes, cliches can be okay. It's just when there are so many of them and and it unclear if the author recognises what they're doing... it gets boring.
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it is interesting, the fact that noen of this is really done with things like dr.seuss or richard scarry. it's something to think about :)
OK, yeah- i totally agree aobut the facts/opinions thing it's been worrying me from the start! i've discussed it with my teach and we've tohught about it/done lots of resaerch with existing articles and essays furthermore just so yer know this is in fact only a small part of the essay as a result of that- but all the everyone's opiniosn are very important to me for this reason xD
i hope that made sense- sorry to rant by the way lol;;
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To the latter question, I don't think it is, or if there was a comic everyone liked, it would not be a comic that everyone loved. To the others - no idea, sorry, you're asking the wrong person. I read stuff I like, and I don't know about anything or anyone else ^^;;
also, where does the matter of opinion end and prentiousness begin? - where do you draw the line at speaking your mind, and just looking down on someone without looking at their stuff? (although maybe that question answers itself :S)I don't really know what makes pretentiousness, I'm afraid. Like I say, I'm really the wrong person to answer ( ... )
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Psychology is always interesting, and I'm sure the reaction you describe happens in other situations too. And stop being silly; it's not that people aren't interested in this sort of stuff, it's that personally I feel profoundly ignorant in it, and thus not able to say much ^^;;
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