Is it just me, or is it very 1940s in here?

Apr 22, 2009 11:54

Aside: I've been meaning to post more, but I've been busy.

I'm a poor supporter of feminism. I would go so far as to suggest that when presented with most 'modern' (i.e. radical or guilt-inducing) representations of feminism, I am actively hostile toward it. This is mostly because many varities of it are predicated on the theory that I do not know ( Read more... )

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thelastmehina April 22 2009, 19:42:09 UTC
Also, it's not like war = death should have been a surprise to Karine. Nor was she drafted. She knew what the risks were when she, of her own free will, chose to enlist. To fetishize her death in such a way completely devalues her choice and the reasons behind it. I wonder if the writer thought for more than five seconds about why Karine chose to join the army. Probably not, because then he would have had to see her as a thinking, reasoning human being and not a convenient symbol to (mis)use for his own agenda.

Regarding social programming & feminism: I think you have a good point, but at the same time, I will propose that we, as a society, have a lot of 'bad habits' which we haven't quite gotten over. Like most bad habits, we do them without thinking and aren't likely to stop unless it's pointed out to us by someone else. I do reject the notion that I can't make my own choices because I've been brainwashed by the patriarchy... but I also accept the idea that I should think about my choices to try and understand what really ( ... )

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icecreamemperor April 22 2009, 19:48:51 UTC
Having spent a lot of time and effort getting to know my own prejudices and biases, I don't like being told I don't understand because I'm not observant enough.

This is interesting. I feel like the end result of my own excessive introspection is the opposite -- an increasing belief that I have no idea why or how I do anything, and a wish to have others observe me and tell me what the heck is going on.

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z0mb1 April 22 2009, 20:07:13 UTC
all i have to say is: "bitch! take a shower!"

mmmm-hay!

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the1andonlycj April 22 2009, 20:32:40 UTC
i go for feminism on occasion, but i'm really sick of all forms of discourse that are based on anything other than merit. i keep hearing about how illegal immigrants are disenfranchised and can't get into college in the states and all of that, then i go work in a classroom with them and watch them slack off. there are exceptions to every rule, but i'm just getting bored with the five best and brightest of each subset screaming about how we all need to defer to their judgments on behalf of their standard rank and file. i'm not pushing for redneck rights--i'm smarter than 90% of the stock that i come from. sure, i want better for them, but let's not fudge the facts to make it so appealing.

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tea_grrl April 23 2009, 00:48:43 UTC
" There is also a strong tendency among early-college age feminists to behave as if no progress has been made since 1960, and which I usually find to be a cypher for their desire to be controversial in ways they hadn't been at home."

They need to watch a few episodes of Mad Men(set in an early 60's ad agency office.). We've come a long way baby.

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thelastmehina April 23 2009, 02:59:41 UTC
The problem, I think, is that even though those college feminists are certainly enthusiastic about their cause, they have never experienced the sort of injustice which prompted first and second wave feminism. They've taken it for granted that they can wear what they want, vote without contemplating the struggle to get the 19th Amendment passed, and in most states obtain birth control & abortions with a minimum of hassle.

That being said, though, there are still a lot of things to fight for. Just a superficial perusal of the way rape is handled in this nation (especially when compared to other nations) is enough to convince most folks that while we have indeed come along way, we have a long way yet to go.

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tea_grrl April 23 2009, 03:42:16 UTC
Oh for sure. The fact that three out of four women have been a victim of domestic violence at some point in their life is proof enough that there is much more work to be done ( ... )

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