Comments | dkh: X-Men 3 and First Class

dkh

X-Men 3 and First Class

Jun 26, 2011 11:54

I really don’t get why people love X-Men 1 and 2 so much but can’t stand 3. I really don’t get it. Can anybody actually explain it to me? It’s like… okay. The third one’s action wasn’t as good, the third one’s writing wasn’t as good, the third one’s plot wasn’t as good - I get that. The catch is, the action, the writing, the plot, these were ( Read more... )

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urthona June 27 2011, 05:23:54 UTC

Honestly, a lot of the hate on 3 is because of the circumstances behind its production. Brian Singer, a real director, wanted to come back to the franchise, but first he wanted to start another franchise over at Warner Bros. Fox didn't like losing that, so they brought in Ratner and rushed a script so they could sink the franchise and show Singer who's boss ( ... )

dkh June 28 2011, 13:13:59 UTC

I knew most of that, though not all. I get why X-Men is so important to super hero films, but people still talk about it like it's the best thing since sliced bread. And it's hard to believe people really love Singer so very, very much. Hell, if I recall correctly, a line from the PVP Online theme song is "X-Men One and Two were rad. Singer left and three was bad." I dunno. I just... don't buy it.

wanders_shadow July 1 2011, 15:47:03 UTC

Dont ask me, i think all 3 movies where shit with 1 not being quite as shit because it was them sincerely trying.

but when you transpose my rogue with my jubilee, you just start to annoy me.

i have yet to see first class, but i am excited about it still. beast being beast and havok (even tho he shoots red) being awesome along with banshee. ive always liked the underdogs.

wanderbyy July 3 2011, 15:44:28 UTC

I may have to reread to get it right but I am confused as to the problem with continuity between the X movies and First Class. As in, you seem upset that people claim First Class did away with the continuity of the last two movies then proceeded to point out exactly where they...did away with it. Then you point out that First Class got details wrong, when no one originally claimed that it was going to be direct canon (presumably as opposed to the other two)

The way I saw the Magneto bit was actually kind of what you liked about Xavier making a shitty decision when he had to. Magneto was shown to have all of those harsh ideals but when put to the point he was STILL a selfish man and chose his own survival vs the girl he had already decided to put in danger for the greater good as he saw it. To me, it didn't prove bad writing and make demote him to a 'typical' villain so much as uncover a moment of weakness that maybe he didn't even realize was there.

dkh July 3 2011, 20:11:57 UTC

Okay, for the first paragraph. My point is that First Class basically says that it is a different continuity from the original trilogy and X-Men Origins: Wolverine. For all intents and purposes it's that it's a completely different continuity from any other X-Men film that's come out. What cheeses me off is that several people point out that it's VERY much not in line with X-Men 3 and Wolverine. It's sort of a selective rationality. People like to say it doesn't conflict with the first two when it does. They want to gloss over that ( ... )

wanderbyy July 13 2011, 01:17:56 UTC

It does and the only answer I have for the moment is that while we chop these movies up into 1,2, and 3 and they have to hold their own ON their own..they are still also progressive. Magneto was already the villain who'd been shown to start his step down a dark road of power in his youth. Showing him take another was not a huge leap to make in one move. Xavier's revealed moment of violation had to be built in order to create the greatest impact in the follower's i.e. audience's mind.