He's not our boyfriend!!11!nostalgia_ljOctober 23 2012, 15:40:52 UTC
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S3 can just about get away with "he's messed in the head about inevitably losing this one as well" but actually dying over a companion would elevate that companion into Massive Mary-Sue territory. I have Nine Issues enough as it is, that happening and I'd probably just decanonise him in my head for being too OOC.
Actually this is a good time for this discussion, I admit I am bit living in fear of an S3 retread post-Ponds, given how much Eleven loved Amy and how he's been alone without her rather than taking on anyone new in the gaps. I don't think it's good for the Doctor to show too much grief over a given companion (unless, of course, they really did die) at the expense of the new one.
Reportedly, one of RTD's initial ideas if the Ninth Doctor had stayed for Doomsday was that he would regenerate out of grief for his lost companion.And they call women hopeless romantics. Was Davies planning to kill Rose off in Doomsday, because I fail to see how watching Rose walk off with her family and better opportunities at a full human life would have caused him enough grief to kill himself
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I agree with fannishliss about Ten's period almost like a gradual unraveling emotional breakdown. I suppose that's why I relate so well to Ten in particular, I've always been a sucker for the hurt and lost.
I don't believe that Nine would have died of grief over Rose, considering that he somehow found the will to continue after the Time War. He would definitely be grounded to the fact that life had no happiness left for him, and that he deserved no one in the world. And if he were careless and took too many risks in his 'duty', then he might have neglected himself and accepted death/regeneration fairly easily.
To expand a little on Ten's unraveling, RTD plays with the theme of whether or not humanity needs a messiah in "the Second Coming" (also starring Christopher Eccleston), whether someone who sets himself up to save us is anything more than tragic. I think RTD's exploration of the Doctor and his tendency for self-sacrifice leads to the Doctor's eventual hopelessness and dissolution. There will always be too many tragedies, and ones that he can't rewrite. His explosion of anger when he is forced to choose between himself and Wilf in his last episode is so sad, and so full of helpless rage. The one thing he gets is a noble death -- and a chance at a new start.
In terms of Nine, I think that meeting Rose was crucial in his recovery. He was in exactly that place of neglecting himself and being careless and accepting of death when she met him. Asking her to come along with him, and their year together, pulled him back from the brink. I agree that haven't pulled back from that brink he wouldn't make that descent again easily.
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S3 can just about get away with "he's messed in the head about inevitably losing this one as well" but actually dying over a companion would elevate that companion into Massive Mary-Sue territory. I have Nine Issues enough as it is, that happening and I'd probably just decanonise him in my head for being too OOC.
Actually this is a good time for this discussion, I admit I am bit living in fear of an S3 retread post-Ponds, given how much Eleven loved Amy and how he's been alone without her rather than taking on anyone new in the gaps. I don't think it's good for the Doctor to show too much grief over a given companion (unless, of course, they really did die) at the expense of the new one.
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I don't believe that Nine would have died of grief over Rose, considering that he somehow found the will to continue after the Time War. He would definitely be grounded to the fact that life had no happiness left for him, and that he deserved no one in the world. And if he were careless and took too many risks in his 'duty', then he might have neglected himself and accepted death/regeneration fairly easily.
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In terms of Nine, I think that meeting Rose was crucial in his recovery. He was in exactly that place of neglecting himself and being careless and accepting of death when she met him. Asking her to come along with him, and their year together, pulled him back from the brink. I agree that haven't pulled back from that brink he wouldn't make that descent again easily.
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