I've been casually seeing this girl for about two months now, and she's got Fibromyalgia. She is essentially in pain that is a 7 on a scale of 10 on a regular basis, with flare-ups to 8.5. Opiates don't manage the pain. She doesn't sleep regularly because shifting her weight only slightly causes her to awaken in terrible pain. Her muscles are always tense, every last bit of emotional and psychological stress she experiences is manifested physically. I've been to Urgent Care with her four times in the past week. Nobody knows what causes Fibromyalgia. They don't know how to cure it. They just know how to diagnose it based on symptoms. You may say that suicide doesn't end a problem, but when someone's problem is that every day spent alive is spent in excruciating physical agony, well
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lol i find both of you guys to be very 'amateur atheists'eddie_vedderxDecember 3 2008, 20:06:23 UTC
if i'm in your situation....i'd go...what would my heroes do?
what would richard feynman or a noam chomsky do in this situation?
i'v observed that you both tend to behave as one or two-note atheists
jared & kevin, when stressed out, tend to:
1) get angry 2) use algebra when more complex math is required (shallow tools i.e. uses a hammer to solve every problem) 3) get violent 4) show off (i.e. post yoga pictures) 5) treat the symptoms....not the source (go deeper)
because hey "it's my life!",,,,,unless of course i get some benefits [i.e. getting laid EVEN THOUGH you're stressing me with your fibromyalgia, or suicidal issues]
for what it's worth, I work with three clients with Fibromyalgia and I asked one of them - a fellow who I'll call Ben for our purposes - if he ever made use of counseling or therapy in regards to the emotional strain of living with the disease. He said that the hardest part for him was the months immediately following diagnosis (which was actually delivered alongside a diagnosis of MS) but, after coming to terms with a life that will follow a different path than what he originally had expected for himself, that emotionally he fares quite well. There is a therapist here in Portland who was able to help him come to this state of mind. He suggested that he'd be happy to pass along the contact information of this individual if you think your friend may find it beneficial. There are also several sources he suggested for pain management if you'd be interested in that as well.
Being a person who has suffered from suicidal depression: The thing that I think it is hard for people to realize is that depression is a DISEASE. It's a chemical imbalance in the brain. People who suffer from it CANNOT *just feel better*. Unfortunately, because the symptoms manifest in emotional, erratic behavior, people who have never suffered from it blame the character of the sick person and not the sickness. THIS IS WRONG
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having been in the same situation, the one on the phone and the one receiving the call, no truer words could be said. it may not be what people who have read this want to hear, but it is a selfish act that causes a pain that will never end, period. yet, the idea that you must have only posted these raw and true feeling about this topic are from either; 1:lack of truly knowing and understanding depression, 2: being overly tired and or stressed, or 3: YOU are the selfish one and how dare you!
be still the great bleeding heart of the pnw for a moment, and remember this is not your(o' wise and overly critical comment posters) but Kevins feelings, thoughts and words on the subject. while you may think you understand his post you are meant to read and ponder, not attack or question. i suggest that all who posted crew on crayons till your words are red, drink sea foam and be thankful that while he may hold you accountable for your misdeeds in the wee hours of the morning, he never said he wouldn't answer your call.
There is nothing I can think of that makes you feel quite the same way as answering one of those calls. You feel helpless, scared out of your wits, completely violated in ways that you never thought your friend was capable of violating you. A friendship is never the same after that call.
I'm glad to know, Kev, that you and I share a point of view on suicide.
expect that I'm probably gonna help but that I'm gonna hate your god damn guts afterwards. Expect a big fuck you.I never said I wouldn't answer the phone, neither did he
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how scared, helpless, worried and small it made me feel that I was suddenly the only thing standing between you and oblivion
EXACTLY. And what's more, how frustrating it is that those feelings of mine are less likely to ever be validated or addressed because the feelings of the other person, since they are at this point a matter of life and death, automatically take precedence. My fear and pain becomes less important, expendable, inconsequential. While I recognize the practicality of this, it doesn't make it less painful.
Whether the words "fuck" or "you" are used in that conversation is something that is debatable, there would be hurt tears and the message would remain the same.
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if i'm in your situation....i'd go...what would my heroes do?
what would richard feynman or a noam chomsky do in this situation?
i'v observed that you both tend to behave as one or two-note atheists
jared & kevin, when stressed out, tend to:
1) get angry
2) use algebra when more complex math is required (shallow tools i.e. uses a hammer to solve every problem)
3) get violent
4) show off (i.e. post yoga pictures)
5) treat the symptoms....not the source (go deeper)
because hey "it's my life!",,,,,unless of course i get some benefits [i.e. getting laid EVEN THOUGH you're stressing me with your fibromyalgia, or suicidal issues]
there is no god...i want my pleasures NOW
damn the pain! where are my vices?
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http://divalion.livejournal.com/163615.html
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(the less declarative a man makes his statements the less likely he is to look foolish in retrospect)
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Who is that joker? He seems to be cluttering up your page with rambling bile.
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it may not be what people who have read this want to hear, but it is a selfish act that causes a pain that will never end, period.
yet, the idea that you must have only posted these raw and true feeling about this topic are from either; 1:lack of truly knowing and understanding depression, 2: being overly tired and or stressed, or 3: YOU are the selfish one and how dare you!
be still the great bleeding heart of the pnw for a moment, and remember this is not your(o' wise and overly critical comment posters) but Kevins feelings, thoughts and words on the subject.
while you may think you understand his post you are meant to read and ponder, not attack or question.
i suggest that all who posted crew on crayons till your words are red, drink sea foam and be thankful that while he may hold you accountable for your misdeeds in the wee hours of the morning, he never said he wouldn't answer your call.
je' adore Kevin. =)
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There is nothing I can think of that makes you feel quite the same way as answering one of those calls. You feel helpless, scared out of your wits, completely violated in ways that you never thought your friend was capable of violating you. A friendship is never the same after that call.
I'm glad to know, Kev, that you and I share a point of view on suicide.
I'm for the Fuck You approach as well.
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EXACTLY. And what's more, how frustrating it is that those feelings of mine are less likely to ever be validated or addressed because the feelings of the other person, since they are at this point a matter of life and death, automatically take precedence. My fear and pain becomes less important, expendable, inconsequential. While I recognize the practicality of this, it doesn't make it less painful.
Whether the words "fuck" or "you" are used in that conversation is something that is debatable, there would be hurt tears and the message would remain the same.
I couldn't have said it better.
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