Prop 8 update

[doublel27]

Currently Prop 8 has 52% of the vote with 48% going to defeating the measure with 95% of precincts in. The opponents of Prop 8 want to wait for the official call until all absentee ballots get counted but the chances that will cover the gap is unlikely. For the first time it looks like a state has decided that they need to discriminate against a

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[spirit0fstlouis]

Apparently the media is reporting that the ballots were worded very poorly and was confusing a lot of voters...?

(I still think it's shameful and very, very wrong that it was even up for discussion.)

[doublel27]

Yeah...it's a mess. And it's going to turn really ugly really fast because it's hard to look 18,000 couples in the eye and say "technically you're illegal now."

I think there are some people who hate it just because it's legal and Canada - and you know how evil your people are. But at the heart of it it's fear, intolerance and hate.

[spirit0fstlouis]

Oh yeah, Canadians are just about as evil as it gets. We lull you into a false sense of security with our politeness, our cute and dorky colloquialisms, and a steady export of comedians, and then - THEN! - we strike. :P

You're right, though, it's fear, intolerance, and hate, and it makes me really sad. There are so many legitimate things in this world to hate and fear, why this? It's stupid. So very, very stupid.

[doublel27]

Because this is the kind of hate you can use to truly beat the "enemy" down. You can't hate cancer out of existence but you can hate people out of rights and into closets. It's the kind of hate you can pass on to your children or impose upon your children.

It's something they can control and something they can claim isn't really bigotry when it is. People snuggle up in their beds and say "I'm not a bigot, I'm tolerant, I'm just a moral person." and feel that they can have their cake and eat it too.

It's all very sad.

[ext_101822]

This isn't over by any stretch of the imagination. I'm looking at it as a setback, definitely-- but it's so not fucking over.

If we proved anything this week, it's that we don't give up even after eight straight years of being beaten down. It sucked, but you're right. We're fighters. It's gonna happen, because it's inevitable.

The people voted for this, and you know what? If we'd gone by what "the people" in each state said, we'd still have slavery in South Carolina, segregated schools in Mississippi, and women wouldn't be voting in... anywhere. None of that was right, and neither is this. Human rights shouldn't take this kind of fighting, but they always do.

And we got this. SO not over.

[doublel27]

I know it's going to happen. And I know it's just a setback. It is, however, a painful setback.

Thankfully the east coast (MA and CT) have either lost interest or lack a significant interest in fighting it. You have no idea how happy I am to be a "liberal elitist" right now. Hopefully New York will look East rather than West and decide to join the eastern block of true equality.

And it's true...if we had listened to the populous at every turn, segregation would still run rampant, women would still lack the right to vote or own property, and there sure as hell wouldn't be a black man as president-elect.

Civil rights always end up taking longer than they should. Minorities have to fight tooth and nail and unfortunately bleed in public (literally and figuratively) before things begin to change.

[ext_101822]

Hopefully New York will look East rather than West and decide to join the eastern block of true equality.

You know, if nothing else, CA voting it down is a good sign for that! God knows they never agree on anything, so maybe that works in our favor this time...

The bleeding is sad, flat out. Let's hope it's over sooner rather than later. But oh, we're gonna win.

[doublel27]

Yeah we can let New York "win" and feel superior in some way maybe.

We will win. Truth, light and freedom always manages to find it's way out of lies, darkness and oppression - it just takes awhile sometimes.