President Wall Street

Jan 06, 2011 19:20

I see Obama named as chief of staff a man that was instrumental in putting in place NAFTA, a big part of the reason our economy is collapsing.

You know, I'm glad I got to be born in the waning years of the Cold War, or else I wouldn't be prepared to recognize what a government blinded by ideology to basic and obvious economic realities looks

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drownedinink January 7 2011, 07:43:57 UTC
Oh, no, sorry, I just meant at least I got to experience being at a time and place where I'd be fed a lot of information (well, to be honest, propaganda) about such a government.

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brotherflounder January 7 2011, 15:10:12 UTC
Okay, back up. Please explain how free trade helped the economy collapse this time. Unregulated Wall Street and greedy bankers? Yes, that I get. What does NAFTA have to do with it?

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drownedinink January 7 2011, 16:30:27 UTC
Ooh, well, there's so much written about how "free" trade policies benefit only the wealthy while doing very little, if not causing outright harm, for the working and middle classes, I don't know where to begin. Here's a short overview of some economists' views on the relationship between "free" trade and the income gap:

http://www.slate.com/id/2266025/entry/2266512/

A response to Paul Krugman's pro-NAFTA views:

http://www.workinglife.org/blog/view_post.php?content_id=5961

How NAFTA helped fuck up Mexico:

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/10/did-nafta-actually-help-mexico/

And finally what NAFTA did to the US:http://www.epi.org/publications/entry/

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madwriter January 10 2011, 21:48:25 UTC
>>Ooh, well, there's so much written about how "free" trade policies benefit only the wealthy while doing very little, if not causing outright harm, for the working and middle classes...<<

This would explain why Rush Limbaugh said that NAFTA was one of the only two things he ever gave Bill Clinton kudos for. (The other was bombing Iraq.)

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mossymonkey January 9 2011, 15:45:13 UTC
I really don't think it's ideology that's governing the president's decisions here but precedent: he's looking back at the last "successful" two-term Democratic president and essentially trying to re-create the team that got Clinton re-elected.

It's foolishness, of course; the economic boom of the late '90s had less to do with economic policy than the simple fact that the technology we'd developed in the '70s and '80s we finally figured out how to make work for us. It would have happened under Bob Dole too.

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drownedinink January 11 2011, 17:53:46 UTC
I think you're right, but I do think Obama is a sincere believer in neo-liberal ideology. He doesn't oppose Keynesian economics to the same degree as most Republicans and the Libertarians, of course, but he would definitely be far more "conservative" economically than any bona fide FDR Democrat.

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mossymonkey January 12 2011, 01:45:04 UTC
The neo-liberal malady is more than just ideological; look at Madeline Albright's post-Clinton-administration career.

The New Dems are in it portfolio-deep; they need it to work to stay rich, and they're willing to game the global financial system to make it happen.

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