dire times of being an honest asshole.

[drrockalopoulos]

you're going to be passively aggressive to me till time untold, and this has already put a scar on my marriage, but i accept that as a result of my telling you the harsh truth, which is much more noble than supporting a lie or misnomer, and missleading someone that may indeed count on the input of their friends and relatives. i chose this noble act

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Cry for attention?

[runsyi]

Maybe. Maybe it's also just an easy way to keep in touch and stay close to friends and maybe make new ones in the process. I personally don't think that I'd be as close with the other girls if it weren't for LJ and I've even made some friends off it. Is that a sad commentary on my social skills? Am I "crying" out for attention? Maybe. There isn't much on my LJ that I haven't already spoken out loud (except maybe for the D's mom stuff). In fact, sometimes LJ keeps me honest because I know that the other person could possibly look online and read what I've written about him/her. That's why I tell Joe to his face the stuff I write about him. Honestly J, I feel that you're being a little mean to Jaime about this and I don't get it because you're a nice guy. Isn't it enough that her mother-in-law is pissed at her? Try to think about it from her perspective. You know how Alex feels. Do you really think it's fair for her to be put in the middle of that all the time?

Re: Cry for attention?

[drrockalopoulos]

that a public diary of personal events, available for public commentary, is indeed begging for attention. if you didn't need it, you wouldn't do it. if it was just for your friends, you'd keep it friends only, or use a mailing list. i am harsh on everybody. mostly myself. it is actually jut being harsly honest and critical. no failure is acceptable, and it's actually a failure on my brother's part which has broken the horse's back. he has recieved his own from me, and fully understands what he has and hasn't done. "however putting her in the middle" would assume a third party placing somewhere. there is only jamie and judy in this. judy would have respected her wishes had she known them. she does keep her word. it is just an innevitable that public data will get into the wrong hands! trusting that it won't is like playing russian roullete! not acting like that that gun is loaded, and then being upset when it goes off, is just juvenile behavior!

-jason

Re: Cry for attention?

[runsyi]

It isn't only Jaime and Judy in this. It is Alex, Jaime, and Judy, hence Jaime is in the middle of a troubled mother-son relationship.

Having read what Gregg actually did I don't think it's too bad. It's just the slip of the tongue that you (and me sometimes) are particularily prone to. It wasn't done maliciously and he probably didn't know that Jaime absolutely did not want her mother-in-law to read it.

And I never said that I didn't need public attention. I want to be loved and thought interesting. I readily admit that.

Re: Cry for attention?

[drrockalopoulos]

alex keeps secrets from jamie. that's unhealthy. but a rocky mother-son relationship isn't at stake here, this would be between houki and what she writes which she thinks would offend judy. it might. if she knew what irritated jamie, it'd probably make judy think twice about opening her admittedly large mouth if she knew exactly how everyone felt. i tell her straight up if she's being overbearign etc. rarely listens. i try though. it's funny you're coming into this conversation so strongly. i just didn't expect you here. i thought nobody would respond actually. just shunning me like i'm an asshole that just wants to be a dickhead to a vulnerable new mother. (i don't actually) it's actually coming to be a thread with a lot of philosophically debatable content.
-jason

turth, or truth not, there is no try.

[drrockalopoulos]

there are no sides.

there is truth
and there is deception.

i fully understand the secretive ways of my brother, i do not aprove of them, for they have only brought him trouble. family and good firends, there shuold be no secrets. they make decisions that influence, or are influenced by their family and friends, and i wuold not want my friends or family to make a decision based on false or nonexistent information provided by me. it is a very selfish and uncouth thing to do. what is so bad he has to hide his entire life from his family anyway? what are they going to do? at worst yell a bit? he tortures his family with a questionable future that could have been avoided with better planning and communication. i am very proud of him for sticking to and owning up to his decisions. i wish he wasn't so petty that he needs solely commendations from his friends and family. if there was no communication, we would all have to learn from our own mistakes, which would undermine the benefits of humanity and learning from the mistakes of others.

Re: turth, or truth not, there is no try.

[runsyi]

There may be "no sides" from your perspective, but there can be compassion and understanding. You know your brother is secretive. Is Jaime supposed to ignore the feelings of her husband and the father of her child in favor of relaying information that he doesn't want relayed to his parents? Choosing your in-laws over your husband is a good way to find yourself without one, ne? Try to understand the position she is in and temper your judgement. Truth is good but there also needs to be compassion and awareness.

Re: turth, or truth not, there is no try.

[drrockalopoulos]

i understand him. i also understand where houki is coming from.

i wish they both would accept and heed criticism and would understand what i mean and why it is fundamentally a healthier and more effective way of living. as it is now, they are not fully taking advantage of their environment and they could be richer. not just monetarily, but in spirit and wisdom. which, i think is worth more. nobody can take that away from you after you have it. i really do care, and this makes me more critical and try harder, even after prior rejection from them.
-jason

Re: turth, or truth not, there is no try.

[lordosis]

Wrong, there is fact, perception, and deception

[farmface]

livejournal drama bomb strikes again :(