Yup. I officially can't spell. *snicker* But I'm kinda glad that I won't be out and about for St Paddy's this year. I don't celebrate it anyhow. (No use for a celebration of a religous zealot whose goal in life was to achieve total elimination of an indigenous culture through a progrom of fear and destruction.) McKinley's back out and about. I luv the boy, but....
Of course I agree with all of that. I also have the additional stigma of having come from an EXTREMELY large, EXTREMELY Irish, EXTREMELY Catholic family that went EXTREMELY ballistic every time I uttered a discouraging word.
"Ya not takin' te good nem o' St. Patrick fa naught'n this ouse!"
And people in this school wonder why I refuse to celebrate Patty's day. They don't understand that even though I am Irish I am not going to raise a glass to the person that helped destroy my religion.
wow I feel dumbbugmanhaiFebruary 24 2004, 09:22:52 UTC
I thought st patty was the patron saint of alcoholics, and beer. damn damn damn oh well IO guess I dont have a holiday to drink on anymore, wait my b-day pahtey I can (and do) alot of drinking there
Re: wow I feel dumbdwerenatFebruary 24 2004, 20:16:47 UTC
Actually, he's the Patron Saint of Bigots and Buttcracks. On the bright side, I hear that ground up Bigots and Buttcracks make excellent fertilizer for growing barley and hops.
"Oh my, look at what you've done to my blouse you sexy thing you! the half digested Beer Sausage really brings out the reds in the floral pattern. Kiss me you hot Scrod of lust! "
""Yeah, mom, Kate and I are going out see the Swinging Beef Logs... neat huh?"
The HolidayjoanhelloFebruary 25 2004, 06:12:49 UTC
I prefer to see it in terms of the theory Barbara Walker laid out in The Women's Book of Myths and Secrets: that, while there seems to have really been at least one missionary to Pagan Ireland named Patrick, more likely two, the Vatican's purpose in setting St. Patrick's Day when they did was (as it was with many of the older and more popular saints, who often could not be found to have any historical existence at all) to absorb a Pagan holiday set around that date, probably one that celebrated a diety called Pater, which is Latin for Father. So in Ireland it was probably the Dagda's day. (Dagda simply means Father in Old Irish.) If celebrated on the Continent it would have been a day to honor Wotan or Zeus or the Holly King or whoever bore the title of Father in the local pantheon.
Like Yule, like Ostara, like Samhain, it was originally our holiday and we are fully entitled to take it back, or something in that vicinity. Raven has in his Pagan ecclesiastical calendar a Blot to Odhinn the Allfather on March 12th. Close enough.
Re: The HolidaydwerenatFebruary 25 2004, 06:57:56 UTC
You may have missed the point. I was talking about commercialism and the holiday BS here, not the origins overseas. And I can assure you that all of us here are well aware of the origins of the holiday.
Quite frankly, you can reclaim the holiday if you want to, me and mine have no bloody use for it.
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BTW - I have a 20-gallon tote full of clothing for you. And I haven't even finished ransaking my closet!
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"Ya not takin' te good nem o' St. Patrick fa naught'n this ouse!"
"Nice buttcrack Dad. OWWW!"
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""Yeah, mom, Kate and I are going out see the Swinging Beef Logs... neat huh?"
I almost PEED in my chair I was laughing so hard.
Kate the Wicked
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Like Yule, like Ostara, like Samhain, it was originally our holiday and we are fully entitled to take it back, or something in that vicinity. Raven has in his Pagan ecclesiastical calendar a Blot to Odhinn the Allfather on March 12th. Close enough.
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Quite frankly, you can reclaim the holiday if you want to, me and mine have no bloody use for it.
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