Best episode, IMHO. The last 15 min comprises some of the most epic/powerful scenes I've seen. The look on Ten's face as she begins to slip, feeling each other through the void, the beach scene...frustration about the unfinished sentence aside, I thought it was a perfect end for them...best finale for a companion.
And while I would have liked a little more time between them, I'm glad that she didn't outstay her welcome (unlike some more recent companions IMO). And they definitely ended as more than just friends!
Jackie's speech was BS though, idk where that was coming from. Rose had changed, but for the better, becoming more mature and confidant, etc. She had also found a purpose at last.
This two-parter is actually one of my favorites of the entire RTD era. It's got great dialogue, Daleks vs. Cybermen for the longtime fans, Rose, Mickey, Jackie, Ten at his sassiest and cleverest, and then there's that wham! ending, after which Ten is never quite the same again
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There are those who criticize Ten for sending Rose to the alternate universe without giving her a say-so (and leaving her there again in Journey's End), but I can see where he's coming from.
I mean, I certainly think he's been very high-handed and he is absolutely making decisions for Rose that aren't his decisions to make. But that's not at all unlike the Doctor, and perhaps more importantly the show doesn't allow that to stand. Rose makes her own choice even with the Doctor (and Pete) trying to make it for her, and it calls back to POTW. I like that.
Naturally it all goes to hell anyway, but I like that asserts her agency there.
And bad, bad RTD for dropping that line in about a baby.lmao this damn line will haunt my fandom existence forever. It didn't bother me in the episode -- I didn't even really blink, I just assumed the Doctor assumed she'd gotten back together with Mickey, and then when she was like "no it's Mum's" I was like "okay fine" and moved on. But poking around on some old T&C posts revealed to me that most people
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I mean, I certainly think he's been very high-handed and he is absolutely making decisions for Rose that aren't his decisions to make. But that's not at all unlike the Doctor, and perhaps more importantly the show doesn't allow that to stand. Rose makes her own choice even with the Doctor (and Pete) trying to make it for her, and it calls back to POTW. I like that.
Naturally it all goes to hell anyway, but I like that asserts her agency there.Me too. I think what also helps (me, anyway) is the meta view that since Billie was leaving, RTD had to come up with a way for her to leave plausibly. Considering how Rose's relationship with Nine and Ten had developed, can you imagine the reaction if he had tried to do a typical old-Who style departure? ("I'm staying, Doctor" *sad look* "OK, bye") Or if he had killed her off
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And while I would have liked a little more time between them, I'm glad that she didn't outstay her welcome (unlike some more recent companions IMO). And they definitely ended as more than just friends!
Jackie's speech was BS though, idk where that was coming from. Rose had changed, but for the better, becoming more mature and confidant, etc. She had also found a purpose at last.
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I mean, I certainly think he's been very high-handed and he is absolutely making decisions for Rose that aren't his decisions to make. But that's not at all unlike the Doctor, and perhaps more importantly the show doesn't allow that to stand. Rose makes her own choice even with the Doctor (and Pete) trying to make it for her, and it calls back to POTW. I like that.
Naturally it all goes to hell anyway, but I like that asserts her agency there.
And bad, bad RTD for dropping that line in about a baby.lmao this damn line will haunt my fandom existence forever. It didn't bother me in the episode -- I didn't even really blink, I just assumed the Doctor assumed she'd gotten back together with Mickey, and then when she was like "no it's Mum's" I was like "okay fine" and moved on. But poking around on some old T&C posts revealed to me that most people ( ... )
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Naturally it all goes to hell anyway, but I like that asserts her agency there.Me too. I think what also helps (me, anyway) is the meta view that since Billie was leaving, RTD had to come up with a way for her to leave plausibly. Considering how Rose's relationship with Nine and Ten had developed, can you imagine the reaction if he had tried to do a typical old-Who style departure? ("I'm staying, Doctor" *sad look* "OK, bye") Or if he had killed her off ( ... )
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