005. To lead humanity

Dec 28, 2009 14:59

While I don't condone the violent actions objectors have taken towards the Watch, I also don't approve of this witch hunt. What happened to the openness the Watch claimed it would maintain? They aren't even off the ground and already they are trying to suppress negative opinions ( Read more... )

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subject_e0057 December 29 2009, 01:51:42 UTC
Yehuda is gone?

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earth_uninstall December 29 2009, 04:09:16 UTC
Yes. I should have mentioned it sooner, but I had hoped that maybe I was wrong.

What is your stasis?

-Aurora

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subject_e0057 December 29 2009, 04:11:20 UTC
...I see. You came back. Perhaps he will as well.

[A long pause.] I'm alright.

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Blacked out part immediately inked out earth_uninstall December 29 2009, 04:30:13 UTC
I honestly don't know. He's not here, and I don't know what triggered our returns in the first place.

If you need anything or your situation changes, tell me immediately.
I mean it. Do you want me to bail you out?

-Aurora

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burntorangesky December 29 2009, 02:21:07 UTC
I do not see that anyone is suppressing opinions here, Aurora. What have you seen or heard that gives you evidence of this?

That aside--whether or not we can form a government here, I am not sure we should even try. It would lend a sense of permanence to this place that I for one am uncomfortable with.

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earth_uninstall December 29 2009, 04:14:19 UTC
Have you not been following Stoneface's entries? I am tired of having to explain the obvious to everyone.

You have a strange point of view; the point of a government should be to bring stability and allow us to focus on gathering our memories and finding a way to return home.

-Aurora

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burntorangesky December 29 2009, 04:31:41 UTC
Yes, of course I have. But I see no evidence of information being withheld or opinions being suppressed. The man died, Aurora. He was murdered, and his people were attacked; can you blame him for wanting to find the person or people responsible for the attacks? Perhaps he simply has no information to give us yet, or it is too dangerous to put in the journals.

So far as I have observed the only way we can 'gather our memories' has nothing to do with government or stability; it is entirely random. I fail to see why imposing structure on this place will help us get our memories back any faster, or away from here before we are allowed to leave.

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earth_uninstall December 30 2009, 18:51:15 UTC
[ooc: His handwriting is getting a little less strict; he's letting his emotions get to him.]

And who is he to decide what is and isn't dangerous, or proper, to put in the journals? This trust and power that's been shifting in his direction is disturbing. Are all humans willing to blindly follow the first person who offers them protection?

And how many of these 'random' chances do you think you've missed because you've been too busy with this farce? With stability we can turn our focus towards finding memory crystals and a way home, either through random means as the Sphere sees fit or through articles gained from the Scavengers' Yard and the Wilderness.

-Aurora

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spandexisyouth December 29 2009, 04:35:02 UTC
Everything is being recorded! He wanted it completely recorded! That is the opposite of withholding!

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HE DOES NOT EVEN KNOW HOW TO HANDLE YOUTH. earth_uninstall December 30 2009, 18:54:05 UTC
Incorrect. Just because it's being recorded doesn't mean it's being shared.

-Aurora

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spandexisyouth December 31 2009, 03:37:45 UTC
Have you asked to see it?

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OH SNAP. Got him there. earth_uninstall December 31 2009, 23:41:05 UTC
I shouldn't have to.

-Aurora

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lol true neutral pretecorrotto December 29 2009, 05:07:15 UTC
When has any organization ever been capable of doing anything civilized?

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Moon's comment made Aurora so happy :< "NOT EVERYONE IS USELESS HURRAH" earth_uninstall December 30 2009, 19:01:52 UTC
Memory loss aside, I can't think of an example to give you. Perhaps all organizations and endeavors are doomed to fail past the theoretical level.

-Aurora

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:| "JUST 99.999999999% OF THEM." pretecorrotto December 31 2009, 21:35:36 UTC
Exactly my point. There is nothing anyone here can do to completely protect the people living here, no matter what they call themselves, and especially if they can't even protect themselves. Are they going to arrest the Tree when it decides to rain fire again?

Being democratic about it won't help, either. Just because someone is likeable doesn't mean they can do shit as a leader.

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Agrees with Me Meter: **** earth_uninstall December 31 2009, 23:51:49 UTC
What other options do we have? Complete anarchy can only get us so far, and it's best that we choose the most effective and less damaging method of government before a dictatorship happens.

I agree. I've observed that people are only willing to listen to those who are likable as opposed to those who are learned. It is frustrating to deal with.

-Aurora

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blackbirdxpie December 29 2009, 05:11:48 UTC
Perhaps it would be more productive to formulate your concerns and probable solutions in a diplomatic proposal to be taken into consideration. Public complaints of the Watch's current handling of the situation have only seemed to increase tension, whereas active contribution would likely produce more desirable results for all involved parties.

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earth_uninstall December 30 2009, 19:07:06 UTC
I have debated with Stoneface in depth before his death and proposed the very things you asked of me. Should I copy the entire exchange for you?

I refuse to remain quiet about my opinion on the Watch. The Watch should do something to actually earn the people's trust beside giving empty promises, if they're so concerned about rising tension.

-Aurora

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blackbirdxpie December 31 2009, 05:57:36 UTC
There is as much need for you to redraft the exchange as there is for me rewrite the initial suggestion.

What do you intend to gain by criticizing their methods without proposed solutions? The only openly expressed opinions against the Watch I've seen have been your own--the other act of resistance being the attacks on the members themselves--so I must ask, where do you draw the line between empathy and justice?

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earth_uninstall January 1 2010, 00:02:57 UTC
Then there was no point to your comment in the first place.

I intend on bringing a second perspective to light, since people seem more than happy to mindlessly follow the first option they're given. Empathy has no place with justice; why would you even relate the two?

If you want to see a list of proposed solutions, I would gladly share them with the journal. Should anyone actually listen to me for once I will buy you a drink.

-Aurora

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