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solitary_summer May 16 2010, 15:21:25 UTC
And can anyone tell me what Amy's 'Then what are you for?' is a callback to? It sounds incredibly familiar, but I can't place it.

I wouldn't have noticed it myself, but rivier posted about it - Gwen said it to Jack in End of Days after Rhys was killed.

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elisi May 16 2010, 16:10:16 UTC
Oooh thank you! It's been forever since I watched End of Days, but I thought that might be the one. It's a very, very similar situation.

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kathyh May 16 2010, 16:28:13 UTC
Great review.

Anyway I am THRILLED that we have a trio in the TARDIS, and there were tons of brilliant scenes that I want to remark on but haven't got the time - like the Doctor in the armless jumper.

It was just full of funny, witty, clever and scary moments wasn't it. I really enjoyed it and am looking forward to rewatching it knowing that the Dream Lord is the Doctor's dark side, which I was completely fooled about.

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elisi May 16 2010, 20:24:50 UTC
Great review.
Thank you. It's a little all over the place, but I just needed it written down.

It was just full of funny, witty, clever and scary moments wasn't it.
It really was, and eminently quotable. :)

I really enjoyed it and am looking forward to rewatching it knowing that the Dream Lord is the Doctor's dark side, which I was completely fooled about.
It's absolutely brilliant, and gives the whole thing *such* a dark twist! I was almost sure it was some manifestation or other of the Master (because that's who he sounded like) but this was so much better. Lots of people all over squeeing about the possibilities of the Valeyard...

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zanthinegirl May 16 2010, 19:15:05 UTC
Easily my favorite of the season so far. I was getting a little worried (I was disappointed in the Angels episodes, and the space-whale) but I think that this season is really starting to gel. I did twig to the twist a little before the characters (The Doctor never just leaves his old companions but visits from time to time? Rory becoming a doctor in just a few years?) but not a whole lot before they they did ( ... )

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elisi May 17 2010, 09:25:01 UTC
Easily my favorite of the season so far.
:)

But an essential difference is that we see Rose in her very first scene as bored with Mickey and her life.
*nods* Also Mickey's initial experience of aliens was to be kidnapped by living plastic, which must have been pretty traumatising.

Rory's a more developed character than Mickey was at a similar point in the series. Amy had to figure out that she loved him; it was a sucky way for it to happen, but I think that they'll all benefit from it.
I think it has to do with her childhood (I've got all these thoughts there might be more meta...) - she's an orphan, raised by a (rather neglectful) aunt, and Rory is clearly the one she's grown up with, the one person who's always cared about her.

And I adore there being three people in the Tardis. I need to find or make an icon of all three in their ponchos that says "Team TARDIS for the fashion win" or something like that!
Oh I've seen one a bit like that... *goes off to hunt down* here! :)

Though I do hope that old people aren't Steven Moffat's ( ... )

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joking May 16 2010, 22:26:16 UTC
All the scenes with the Dream Lord and the Doctor conversing become a lot more interesting in light of the fact that it's the dark side of himself. "The old man prefers the company of the young," the Dream Lord says, while all around them, old people are consuming young people for their life force, leaving children as piles of dust on the ground. How is that not a metaphor for what the Doctor feels he does to his companions ( ... )

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elisi May 17 2010, 09:03:45 UTC
I saw that you made a post, so will comment over there. So just this:

Might I mention that I love the ending, in which the Doctor sees the Dream Lord reflected in the TARDIS console - a reminder that his dark side still lies behind his reflection?
Oh yes. I touched upon this in my review of the vampire ep, but appearances matter - the fact that the Doctor, old, old man that he is, is walking around with such a youthful face is used, and beautifully so. It is in many ways a mask - just like Ten's happy go lucky persona was a mask to hide the darkness and danger lurking underneath. (I have a lot of thoughts percolating...) With Ten we got the Master as a mirror, here we get the Dream Lord, something much darker in many ways. But I shall go over to yours and continue I think...

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