Brilliant! I was more prone to link it to the God Complex, since what struck me really was the parallel between the Grandfather (oh, the name they chose for him!) and the Doctor. I see the Doctor as a love and devotion vampire :). But the parallel you drew with AGMGTW was SO beautiful. And the leaf! I had no problem with the speech, it was perfectly earned, desperate and completely pathetic, the Doctor giving in. After all he sent Clara away, he was alone at that moment. But she came back, she saved him, from his foolishness -you said it, he has no idea what he is doing-, just like River. It was beautiful.
I was more prone to link it to the God Complex, since what struck me really was the parallel between the Grandfather (oh, the name they chose for him!) and the Doctor. I see the Doctor as a love and devotion vampire :). Hmmm. Yes and no. I mean, yes of course. But it was as if they set up the parallel so carefully (going so far as to name the god 'grandfather') - and then they subverted the whole thing to such an extent that I'm still flailing.
But the parallel you drew with AGMGTW was SO beautiful. And the leaf! IKR? Alll the love! Allll the imagery! <3
I had no problem with the speech, it was perfectly earned, desperate and completely pathetic, the Doctor giving in. After all he sent Clara away, he was alone at that moment. I can't even remember where I read it, but I just wanted to make the point clear. *Disliking* it is something else entirely, but somehow failing to see the importance is something I can't understand.
But she came back, she saved him, from his foolishness -you said it, he has no idea what he is
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Allll the imagery! I wonder if the parallel goes even further, because AGMGTW was very much about identity, finding who River is and who the Doctor has become. And we don't know who Clara is. I'm still, strangely, stubbornly, clinging to the idea Clara is not 'just a girl' and that all the details we have been given about her family are misleading. I may be wrong but it is the first time we learn so much, that early, about a companion's backstory. I think there are far more to learn about them and that the huge power of the leaf is also explained by her nature. I'm aware of the fact it is the 'could have been' that satiates the God. But...Argh, as the Melody's identity reveal raised a whole lot more of questions, the power the leaf has could mean so much more. And now I'm just wildly speculating...
*Disliking* it is something else entirely, but somehow failing to see the importance is something I can't understand.As you pointed it out, it is a very long game Moffat has been playing for the past four years, trying to unthread the
( ... )
I wonder if the parallel goes even further, because AGMGTW was very much about identity, finding who River is and who the Doctor has become. And we don't know who Clara is. Oh totally.
And we don't know who Clara is. I'm still, strangely, stubbornly, clinging to the idea Clara is not 'just a girl' and that all the details we have been given about her family are misleading. I may be wrong but it is the first time we learn so much, that early, about a companion's backstory. Well this goes back to my chicken & egg ideas (which I don't remember if I've posted). Is she 'a chicken' - that is, is she an ordinary girl who has been copied & imbued with something extraordinary, or is she an egg, and all the 'girls' are just camouflage? Mind you, her strength comes from her humanity, so it'll be interesting to see how it all works out.
I think there are far more to learn about them and that the huge power of the leaf is also explained by her nature.The leaf *changed* from the first episode - just look at my icon and compare to my header... I
( ... )
Even though the actual plot of the week was kinda lame Plot schmot. This is the programme that can reverse the polarity of the neutron flow.
I appreciated how this entire episode summarized all of Moffat Who. It's all about the power of stories and the power of memory and the power of just damn well existing ever on in such a big universe. ALL THE THINGS. <3 <3 <3
Haha I know- mileage of how much I accept it just depends on an episode by episode basis.
For the record, I quite enjoyed this episode anyway. Just wasn't amazing :)
YOUR ICON. EEP. If, after this episode, people still insist that Moffat Who is sci fi and not an allegorical fairy story I will be at my blog head scratching.
Haha I know- mileage of how much I accept it just depends on an episode by episode basis. These things are very personal. I could feel every bone in my husband's body recoiling when the singing started... He has a very, very low threshold for these things.
For the record, I quite enjoyed this episode anyway. Just wasn't amazing :) No, it was utterly awesome! :)
YOUR ICON. EEP. If, after this episode, people still insist that Moffat Who is sci fi and not an allegorical fairy story I will be at my blog head scratching. I have an icon for every occasion... *g* (And Moffat has stated in no uncertain terms that he thinks DW is a fairy tale. If people think he's lying... well, more fool them!)
You just made this episode even better. :) My only peeve was the fact that the TARDIS wasn't translating for Clara but we decided it was too much fun to watch her bark to care.
Yes, really good episode, felt like a good place for a new fan to come in but with enough nods to the previous series to keep the rest of us happy. Cannot wait to see what else is in store for Clara!
My only peeve was the fact that the TARDIS wasn't translating for Clara but we decided it was too much fun to watch her bark to care. It translated everyone *except* the barking lady, so yeah, I think it was done for laughs. Like making Ten speak Judoon.
Yes, really good episode, felt like a good place for a new fan to come in but with enough nods to the previous series to keep the rest of us happy. Cannot wait to see what else is in store for Clara! Same here! :)
It isn't enough because he isn't human, and he never can be human. He doesn't know true death and rebirth (the essence of the leaf - life lived, ended in death and the vast plain of unfilled potential). He offers up everything and he can't win - always he's been the dying and resurrecting God, but here's the truth, and the truth is that in this arc he doesn't actually hold the power that death has because- effectively - he is immortal.
It's a big metaphor for the whole show too - in order for the Doctor to properly "win" once and for all, against all his enemies, he has to actually die, the show has to end. While he still lives, there is the endless battle - otherwise we wouldn't have a show.
Does any of that make sense?!!
Also, love the mirroring of the leaves and fire/water tones in the shots you've contrasted.
Does any of that make sense?!! It makes all the sense in the world! (I've yet to read yours or janie's meta, have quite simply not had the time... /o\)
Also, love the mirroring of the leaves and fire/water tones in the shots you've contrasted. Most gorgeous show ever!
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This show. This show is ALL THE THINGS!
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I was more prone to link it to the God Complex, since what struck me really was the parallel between the Grandfather (oh, the name they chose for him!) and the Doctor. I see the Doctor as a love and devotion vampire :).
But the parallel you drew with AGMGTW was SO beautiful. And the leaf!
I had no problem with the speech, it was perfectly earned, desperate and completely pathetic, the Doctor giving in. After all he sent Clara away, he was alone at that moment. But she came back, she saved him, from his foolishness -you said it, he has no idea what he is doing-, just like River. It was beautiful.
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I was more prone to link it to the God Complex, since what struck me really was the parallel between the Grandfather (oh, the name they chose for him!) and the Doctor. I see the Doctor as a love and devotion vampire :).
Hmmm. Yes and no. I mean, yes of course. But it was as if they set up the parallel so carefully (going so far as to name the god 'grandfather') - and then they subverted the whole thing to such an extent that I'm still flailing.
But the parallel you drew with AGMGTW was SO beautiful. And the leaf!
IKR? Alll the love! Allll the imagery! <3
I had no problem with the speech, it was perfectly earned, desperate and completely pathetic, the Doctor giving in. After all he sent Clara away, he was alone at that moment.
I can't even remember where I read it, but I just wanted to make the point clear. *Disliking* it is something else entirely, but somehow failing to see the importance is something I can't understand.
But she came back, she saved him, from his foolishness -you said it, he has no idea what he is ( ... )
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I wonder if the parallel goes even further, because AGMGTW was very much about identity, finding who River is and who the Doctor has become. And we don't know who Clara is. I'm still, strangely, stubbornly, clinging to the idea Clara is not 'just a girl' and that all the details we have been given about her family are misleading. I may be wrong but it is the first time we learn so much, that early, about a companion's backstory. I think there are far more to learn about them and that the huge power of the leaf is also explained by her nature. I'm aware of the fact it is the 'could have been' that satiates the God. But...Argh, as the Melody's identity reveal raised a whole lot more of questions, the power the leaf has could mean so much more. And now I'm just wildly speculating...
*Disliking* it is something else entirely, but somehow failing to see the importance is something I can't understand.As you pointed it out, it is a very long game Moffat has been playing for the past four years, trying to unthread the ( ... )
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Oh totally.
And we don't know who Clara is. I'm still, strangely, stubbornly, clinging to the idea Clara is not 'just a girl' and that all the details we have been given about her family are misleading. I may be wrong but it is the first time we learn so much, that early, about a companion's backstory.
Well this goes back to my chicken & egg ideas (which I don't remember if I've posted). Is she 'a chicken' - that is, is she an ordinary girl who has been copied & imbued with something extraordinary, or is she an egg, and all the 'girls' are just camouflage? Mind you, her strength comes from her humanity, so it'll be interesting to see how it all works out.
I think there are far more to learn about them and that the huge power of the leaf is also explained by her nature.The leaf *changed* from the first episode - just look at my icon and compare to my header... I ( ... )
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It's all about the power of stories and the power of memory and the power of just damn well existing ever on in such a big universe.
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Plot schmot. This is the programme that can reverse the polarity of the neutron flow.
I appreciated how this entire episode summarized all of Moffat Who. It's all about the power of stories and the power of memory and the power of just damn well existing ever on in such a big universe.
ALL THE THINGS. <3 <3 <3
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For the record, I quite enjoyed this episode anyway. Just wasn't amazing :)
YOUR ICON. EEP. If, after this episode, people still insist that Moffat Who is sci fi and not an allegorical fairy story I will be at my blog head scratching.
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These things are very personal. I could feel every bone in my husband's body recoiling when the singing started... He has a very, very low threshold for these things.
For the record, I quite enjoyed this episode anyway. Just wasn't amazing :)
No, it was utterly awesome! :)
YOUR ICON. EEP. If, after this episode, people still insist that Moffat Who is sci fi and not an allegorical fairy story I will be at my blog head scratching.
I have an icon for every occasion... *g* (And Moffat has stated in no uncertain terms that he thinks DW is a fairy tale. If people think he's lying... well, more fool them!)
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Yes, really good episode, felt like a good place for a new fan to come in but with enough nods to the previous series to keep the rest of us happy. Cannot wait to see what else is in store for Clara!
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My only peeve was the fact that the TARDIS wasn't translating for Clara but we decided it was too much fun to watch her bark to care.
It translated everyone *except* the barking lady, so yeah, I think it was done for laughs. Like making Ten speak Judoon.
Yes, really good episode, felt like a good place for a new fan to come in but with enough nods to the previous series to keep the rest of us happy. Cannot wait to see what else is in store for Clara!
Same here! :)
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It isn't enough because he isn't human, and he never can be human. He doesn't know true death and rebirth (the essence of the leaf - life lived, ended in death and the vast plain of unfilled potential). He offers up everything and he can't win - always he's been the dying and resurrecting God, but here's the truth, and the truth is that in this arc he doesn't actually hold the power that death has because- effectively - he is immortal.
It's a big metaphor for the whole show too - in order for the Doctor to properly "win" once and for all, against all his enemies, he has to actually die, the show has to end. While he still lives, there is the endless battle - otherwise we wouldn't have a show.
Does any of that make sense?!!
Also, love the mirroring of the leaves and fire/water tones in the shots you've contrasted.
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Does any of that make sense?!!
It makes all the sense in the world! (I've yet to read yours or janie's meta, have quite simply not had the time... /o\)
Also, love the mirroring of the leaves and fire/water tones in the shots you've contrasted.
Most gorgeous show ever!
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