I really can't stand arguments like "lol shallow fangirls" as you described. I mean, it always seems gender-targeted to me, sort of...how come guys never get hit with that? Maybe I'm kind of missing the point, but I think if a lot of people in general, if the Internet could just retire this argument, we'd all be better people. I mean, sometimes the villains are meant to be sympathetic. And that's not really a bad thing.
Sorry, really sore spot for me. And then again, I kind of lean in the other sort of extreme, i.e. feeling really bad for villains too much. I know a few of them...let's say that what happened to them doesn't really excuse what they've done, but I kind of feel sorry for them when life kind of beats up on them.
Basically, this to all your post. Seriously. (And sorry if I didn't make sense; I have a lot of thoughts about this matter is all)
I think it's very gendered, honestly. Certainly guys get 'lol stupid fanboys,' but I don't think at all in the same way. I mean, I think there's a sense with the guys that fanboys will be fanboys, while fangirl woobifying is bad and wrong and they need to stop. It's also - it definitely happens with male fans mocking or scolding female ones over woobification, but a lot of what I see going on here is women bashing other women in a 'but I'm not like those other girls' sort of way.
I think retiring the fandom police would be an excellent idea! And I don't mean not ever saying anything uncomplimentary about anyone ever, or pointing out things that are actually a big deal (like, slut-shaming in arguments about fictional characters is still slut-shaming and totally should be called out). But policing how people do fandom when it isn't actually substantive, and dismissing people rather than critiquing their arguments/actions: no.
Warning: Groggy hadhafang is groggy.ladyhadhafangDecember 5 2012, 11:46:48 UTC
Thanks. *Hugs*
And yeah, you nailed it. I honestly can't stand that sort of thing either. Seriously.
I definitely agree. I mean, calling people out on things isn't a bad thing, but sometimes people can take it way too far. And accusing people's opinions of ruining fandom/canon is absolutely absurd. No one's opinion can ruin fandom/canon. It's just an opinion at the end of the day, nothing more. (If that makes any sense)
Brilliantly persuasive, indeed. The best way to harm a cause is to defend it with faulty arguments and all that. I mean, I agree with what I can guess she was trying to say, but the judgmental and emo attitude ("stupid shallow fangirls", seriously?) makes it impossible to take her seriously.
A lot of people need to learn that 1) not everyone is like them; 2) not everyone has the same tastes as them; and 3) someone not being or not thinking like them does not constitute a personal attack on them.
I appreciate your icon :Delizabeth_hootDecember 5 2012, 05:57:54 UTC
I think I've been driven to defend woobification by sheer annoyance with this kind of thing, lol! Personally, I tend to dislike fanon a lot and particularly the kind that grows up around woobies, and there are many times where I think people are hilariously misreading the characters, but there really is a monumental difference between "I think you're wrong" and "you're ruining fandom and canon alike by having an opinion I think is stupid." Yes to all three points, definitely.
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I really can't stand arguments like "lol shallow fangirls" as you described. I mean, it always seems gender-targeted to me, sort of...how come guys never get hit with that? Maybe I'm kind of missing the point, but I think if a lot of people in general, if the Internet could just retire this argument, we'd all be better people. I mean, sometimes the villains are meant to be sympathetic. And that's not really a bad thing.
Sorry, really sore spot for me. And then again, I kind of lean in the other sort of extreme, i.e. feeling really bad for villains too much. I know a few of them...let's say that what happened to them doesn't really excuse what they've done, but I kind of feel sorry for them when life kind of beats up on them.
Basically, this to all your post. Seriously. (And sorry if I didn't make sense; I have a lot of thoughts about this matter is all)
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I think it's very gendered, honestly. Certainly guys get 'lol stupid fanboys,' but I don't think at all in the same way. I mean, I think there's a sense with the guys that fanboys will be fanboys, while fangirl woobifying is bad and wrong and they need to stop. It's also - it definitely happens with male fans mocking or scolding female ones over woobification, but a lot of what I see going on here is women bashing other women in a 'but I'm not like those other girls' sort of way.
I think retiring the fandom police would be an excellent idea! And I don't mean not ever saying anything uncomplimentary about anyone ever, or pointing out things that are actually a big deal (like, slut-shaming in arguments about fictional characters is still slut-shaming and totally should be called out). But policing how people do fandom when it isn't actually substantive, and dismissing people rather than critiquing their arguments/actions: no.
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And yeah, you nailed it. I honestly can't stand that sort of thing either. Seriously.
I definitely agree. I mean, calling people out on things isn't a bad thing, but sometimes people can take it way too far. And accusing people's opinions of ruining fandom/canon is absolutely absurd. No one's opinion can ruin fandom/canon. It's just an opinion at the end of the day, nothing more. (If that makes any sense)
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A lot of people need to learn that 1) not everyone is like them; 2) not everyone has the same tastes as them; and 3) someone not being or not thinking like them does not constitute a personal attack on them.
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