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Feb 17, 2010 17:31

 
     If you don't understand what is wrong with this, I can explain it with more exclaimation marks and profanity.

It is too bad, really. I mean, I generally liked her music. And Sharpied-on eyebrows.

(It's her response to the criticism that cinches it for me, I'll be honest. There's absolutely no willingness to engage in even the most half- ( Read more... )

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spacklegeek February 18 2010, 00:03:36 UTC
That's ... like finding out that Santa Claus isn't real - or, maybe, that he's really a terribly bitter man who hates everyone.

And I agree with you about her response to this - that's what's really upsetting. Goodness gracious. Maybe it'll be different, or more subtle, or more obviously "art" than it seems right now, but at this point, I'm not even sure if that matters.

Graceless.

Jordan's much cooler. Thanks, on his behalf, for the plug. :)

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santa claus is a chainsmoking internet pornography addict who cusses like a longshoreman emerald_boa February 18 2010, 01:59:27 UTC


I know! It's very, very disappointing.

(Especially since I think it's abundantly clear that this is an extremely gimmicky project-- I really can't think of any way to read the concept as even a well-intended-but-flawed way of drawing attention to certain aspects of American culture via dark comedy and satire. It's just: Freaks are whimsical! Disabilities are funny, and sort of cute in a pathetic way! Child rape is edgy! Poverty and neglect are exotic! Isn't it ironic that we, two educated, well-off able-bodied people, are dressed up as conjoined twin outsider artist naifs? Oh, tee-hee!
Even if the songs turn out to be amazing, with skillful instrumentation, gorgeous vocals and inventive, poetic lyrics...well, I'm sorry, but I just don't think there's any way that the metric fuckton of failure involved here can be redeemed through sheer artistry.)

...I like seeing people's "consternation!" icons.

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Re: santa claus is a chainsmoking internet pornography addict who cusses like a longshoreman spacklegeek February 18 2010, 02:07:15 UTC
I just saw that her partner in this project, Jason Webley, has made a blog post in response to this.

I wish he'd done this sooner. Or more publicly. Or maybe even that AP had expressed herself the same way he has here. Because I feel like nothing she says now is going to erase the - well, I'm interpreting it as callousness - of her initial and/or what-we've-seen-so-far response.

Yeah. This is just really freaking disappointing.

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Re: santa claus is a chainsmoking internet pornography addict who cusses like a longshoreman emerald_boa February 18 2010, 02:21:15 UTC

Oh! Well, ain't he refreshingly polite and open to taking other people's opinions at least semi-seriously. Thanks for the link.

(You're right, though. It doesn't really ameliorate much.)

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angerfish February 18 2010, 00:03:45 UTC
Oh god. That. Read about that last evening. Gooood times.

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emerald_boa February 18 2010, 02:04:05 UTC


Ugh, yes. I suspect I'll get tired of reading about this very quickly if I continue to lurk around activist and/or music blogs.

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beneficentbeast February 18 2010, 00:18:31 UTC
Aw, man. I agree with Carrie, this is kinda like finding out Santa isn't real. It also reminds me of when I found out that Amy Sedaris says really racist things about Asian folks and doesn't give a crap. I'm gonna think this over and see how it plays out before chucking my Palmer LJ icons but thanks for sharing.

On a random note, before I clicked the thing and knew who you were talking about, I instantly thought "Amanda Palmer" when I read "Sharpied-on eyebrows" XD

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emerald_boa February 18 2010, 02:14:15 UTC
Well, if you read my response to Carrie...I really, really don't think there's much ambiguity about the tone of this project or about AP's reaction to criticism. But hey. You do what you want to do. I'm not gonna be incensed by your choice of icons or anything.

Speaking of which, your pissed-off owl there actually made me laugh out loud. (Of course, it's possible I'm a little feverish.) Right on, Mr. Owl.

Yeah, I just realized that in this post I did that thing I sometimes do where I launch into ranting about my nettling topic du jour without really telling my audience exactly what that topic is beforehand. Sorry. :)

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slingstone February 18 2010, 02:49:29 UTC
Maybe I'm inviting you to rebuff me with profanity and exclamation points, but I don't see where all the disapproval is coming from.

Evelyn & Evelyn is a just character they perform as, much like a drag character or GWAR. These sorts of characters usually have very fantastic backstories explaining what brings them to the stage that particular night.

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...with no swearing and few exclaimation marks, even! emerald_boa February 18 2010, 03:41:47 UTC
Well, for one thing there's the fact that Evelyn Evelyn aren't explicitly presented as fictional characters. I doubt there's any real intention on the part of the performers to pull a hoax on listeners; it's more a framing gimmick, a la "The Princess Bride." Still, I think I find it more off-putting when it's coated in this veneer of ambiguous reality than I would if it made absolutely no pretense of being anything except a pretend story. It grates when paired with the completely voyeuristic, slightly mocking portrayal of the characters themselves.

"Gimmick" is a good word. That's all this is-- a parade of gimmickery. And the reason it's insulting, rather than just tacky, is that the perspective here is so very much about laughing at, exoticizing, othering these characters who (supposedly) belong to several categories of person which actually do exist and actually are seriously devalued and marginalized right here in real life. It affirms, rather than subverts, the status quo, and reassures audiences that hey, you don't have to ( ... )

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Re: ...with no swearing slingstone February 18 2010, 05:08:30 UTC
Well I actually have been reading a lot about this tonight(to the neglect of my studies, oh noes ( ... )

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Re: ...with no swearing emerald_boa February 18 2010, 17:12:01 UTC

Well, as I was saying, it isn't the framing gimmick of itself that bothers me so much as it's the framing gimmick combined with the characters and subject matter at hand. If this were a case of the artists taking on fictional personas that made fun of privileged, conceited rock stars (like Spinal Tap), or creating fantasy narratives about things that don't exist and events that don't ever happen outside of fiction (like in the Blair Witch project, or like David Bowie pretending to be the Martian space traveller/rock star Ziggy Stardust), it wouldn't be an issue.

Also, the way Amanda Palmer chose to respond to this controversy was completely petty, arrogant, disrespectful, and immature. Whether or not Evelyn Evelyn was intended to mock or offend and whether or not it turns out to be as bad as all that, Amanda Palmer made it pretty explicit that she, as a person and a performer, has absolutely no regard whatsoever for "disabled feminists." That is why I'm really, really steamed about this, as opposed to just rolling my eyes ( ... )

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