Insta-thoughts on SPN 8.06 + CF 1.05

[emmram]

Will get around to finishing/posting the 8.05 & 8.06 recaps/commentaries sometime within the next few days--Diwali weekend is coming up, so I'll get to them in between the fireworks and hogging on my grandmother's cooking.

About Supernatural! Some quick thoughts. SPOILERS under the cut.

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[de_nugis]

Wait, Dean told Sam off for not telling him he was soulless? *has not seen ep yet*

But Sam didn't know he was soulless until Family Matters, did he? He was worried in his robo!way that there was something off about him, but he genuinely didn't know how he came back or that his soul had been left behind.

[emmram]

That's true, but Robo!Sam did try to deceive Dean into believing he was normal.

But yeah, that's pretty much what Dean said, word-for-word. He's ghost-possessed at the time, but it's no less ridiculous for it.

[kettle_o_fish]

Haha, there was so much YOU BOTH NEED TO STFU NOW last night. I'm not letting Dean off the hook just because he was possessed. Like Sam pointed out, the feelings were there. And as Garth-ex-machina as Garth's immunity was, it DOES add weight to that argument. Garth had no hurt/angry thoughts to exploit. Dean did

[de_nugis]

Well, Sam and Dean had VERY disrupted educations. I never had a proper school course in American History up to the Civil War because my elementary and high school education went through grade 8 and then 9-12, but the high school I went to actually started Upper School in 8th grade and did the first half of their basic American History survey then. (And my grade school didn't really educate people at all, not in anything as substantial as history -- I'm sure Sam and Dean had some doozies among their schools as well). And that's just a single school switch mismatch. Sam and Dean were switching every few months. I don't find it at all surprising that they'd have major gaps in the usual curriculum.

[kettle_o_fish]

That's true. I didn't consider that, but I can see it now. Education can be so odd depending on where you receive it too. I know waaaaay more about New Jersey colonial history than is probably necessary even though I grew up in Pennsylvania just because I happened to be in school in NJ for that particular unit.

[auroramama]

I'm just thrilled that Sam didn't sit there and take it and do the kicked-puppy-unworthy-of-Saint-Dean routine.

I cheered right up when Sam actually did some hollering. I was so worried that they'd undercut his lines before the end, but they just ended it there!

I also rather liked the irrationality of influenced-Dean's accusations. Nutty bitter feelings of betrayal I have had, let me show you them! But I wish the boys could grasp the concept of mixed feelings.

[quickreaver]

1. I thought the dialogue was a bit clumsy too. The more I study the craft of writing, the harder I am on TV shows, poor things

[emmram]

I remember complaining about weird and clunky dialogue on Show once before, and then I find out the writer for that episode was Adam Glass, too. Huh.

(There are also a lot of interesting comparisons to be made between Defending Your Life and this one, though. Dean's mistakes were paraded in front of him and he was judged, while this time it was Sam's turn. Except, this time, it's his own brother that's judging him.)

Jodi would've made a kick-ass Bobby replacement.

OH GOD I FORGOT ABOUT JODI. Would LOVE to see her back. ♥

hat I really wanna see is an actual flashback of Sam losing it over Dean's disappearance. I think we need this, to truly feel for Sam's plight. So far, it's just words and a bit of over-reaction over hitting a dogYES. There was just that one big flashback in s4, but it worked so much better because we really had a taste of just how LOST Sam was without Dean. Grieving, angry, reckless, suicidal--it made sense why Ruby was able to get through to him when he was that vulnerable. This season's series of flashbacks

[pocochina]

2b. Yeah, I liked Garth already, but that got him major points with me.

2.75 We do, but it's more in terms of the overall causes/effects. The Tomb of the Unknown Confederate Soldier is a really specific detail which I doubt you'd find out about unless you were educated in the South. I didn't know about it. I think the line is more to highlight how Dean's perspective on normal life (in this case education) is so skewed, and how hostile he is to everything Sam might escape for, such as college.

3. Seriously, the tone of the argument was like that of two seriously overgrown five year olds.

hahahaha. I personally got one overgrown five year old and one overextended babysitter. Your pie privileges have been revoked, Dean. No dessert until you learn to behave. Which:

Why are you wasting time in a diner, eating, when you could be ~SAVING LIVES? I mean, that's why you dragged Sam away from the organic market, right?

lol, HE SUPS OF THE TRANS FATS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS. Moral fiber is mutually exclusive with dietary fiber!

running around

[emmram]

I think the line is more to highlight how Dean's perspective on normal life (in this case education) is so skewed, and how hostile he is to everything Sam might escape for, such as college.

That makes sense.

Moral fiber is mutually exclusive with dietary fiber!

LOL.

Amelia is awesome. I did poke around a bit online earlier today, and was rather taken aback by all the vitriol against her. Although, having spent six years in this fandom, I ought to have known better.

Also--icon love. Death Takes A Holiday was such an awesome episode. *misses s4* ... *again*

Hammer-time

[anonymous]

1. "I'll make mustard of your brainstem

Re: Hammer-time

[emmram]

"... and then I'll fry your cerebellum, stick it between your cerebral hemispheres, and have it for lunch!"

I'm even good with him being a better interviewer than Dean, since Garth spent the last year as the new Bobby and Dean spent it in Purgatory (I took that scene to mean, "EVEN GARTH is appalled at Dean's lack of tact! Wowee!").

True. However, this also means Soulless-Sam and newly-resouled Sam were better interviewers than Dean.

It was just a ghost attached to the coin, possessing people! Why did they throw in green ectoplasm! Why call it a specter as if it's something different and new?

YES. It would've made just as much sense, and would've been keeping with Show's mythology, as unwieldy as it is.

The Brotherly Conflict is getting a bit tiring, I agree. It's incredibly polarising, and it really does feel like they've wrung out every last drop of drama they could from it.

Like how I thought the vending machine set Dean off in the premiere when it was kids running past himME TOO