Two things about SGA 4x05, Travelers

[eruthros]

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[cathexys]

OMG..it makes SO MUCH SENSE!!!!!

beautiful!

i'm getting off on both your minds just WATCHING YOU THINK.

Look...no hands! just thinking and gazing :D

[i do want to think a bit more about the gendering of the ancients and the wraith, b/c interestingly the mind/body dichotomy is mostly inverted, isn't it? i mean, there's a female wraith queen here and there, but the named character wraith whom John encounters are all male, right? And the ancients we encounter tend to be female???

b/c i like the queered transgendered wraith versus the asexual ancients...except it's a bit too tracking the vampire, a bit too monstrous queerness and edelman's death drive for me... after all, the pleasure is *not* in the sucking but in the returning of life...and now i'm lost... :)]

[eruthros]

Yeah, no, totally, I think that's kinda our point! Because the show starts out with this really straightforward TOTALLY structuralist oppositional thing, but. But but. Then it gets all messed with -- the Wraith in season one = monstrous queerness, but now something else is going on

[cathexys]

resituates John and Larrin within their bodies, so that their queerness is simultaneously about recognition of sameness, and about the ways in which bodies matter. yeah, see, I kinda like that reading better, and it totally jibes with my reading of always...which, i was totally thinking of when i was reading your analysis, b/c it's about sameness and about experiencing the same thing and about creating comunity via commonality...

and 'im with you about the bed going, so more on monstrous females tomorrow :D

[eruthros]

Well, I think what I was trying to do was to say: look, you can take any of these readings, the one that talks about the structure of the episode and the barred heterosexuality, the one that talks about John as man-and-machine, the one that talks about the Wraith as queered bodies, or the one that talks about the Wraith as the monstrous queer ... and in all of them, this scene is a queer(ed) scene. In all of them, John is a queer(ed) body. So that at all of these different levels, the influence of the ATA on John and of the Wraith on John is a way of making John's body a queer body.

I still feel like the monstrous queer is equally a "straight" reading of the show, as monanotlisa puts it below -- but I'm not trying to say that it's the overwhelming structure that subsumes all of these other queer readings.

[green_grrl]

(following cathexys's link) Awesome! I look forward to your PhD defense.

What, you mean this isn't your thesis?

*loves like whoa*

[eruthros]

Ha! I only wish -- then I'd be done :)

Also, I wouldn't have to call watching SGA "procrastinating." And "being lazy."

[eruthros]

I'm running off to work, so more response later but:

I love the "omg subversion of cliches" + the closeted heterosexuality SO MUCH.

And ... it amuses the pants off of me that fandom is so attuned to these things that we immediately go "is that your sidearm heh heh?" Like I said: fans know what guns mean!

[copracat]

It certainly allows a brain to hold the two thoughts "John is queer" and "John and Larrin kissing was hot" without falling over.

[eruthros]

I like those two thoughts :) Oh, John!

Also, it lets me call this a "big queer show."

[galaxy_song]

huh well I would never of thought of this not ever ever but it makes a lot of sense in a brain melting way. Just going to take a while to let all sink in but I really like your way of thinking its like you are not only thinking out side the box, the box no longer exists hhhhmmmm

[eruthros]

I'm glad it makes sense!

And yeah, I like a world without boxes :)