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Oct 03, 2007 12:43

Sex is a mutual collaborative effort.

Prostitution isn't, it is one person renting another's body.

Prostitution, by definition, is sex with someone who does not want to have sex with you.

Therefore prostitution is not sex, it is rape.

(Pornography, of course, is just prostitution on camera)

It is not perhaps as harmful as some other forms of rape, ( Read more... )

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_allecto_ October 3 2007, 12:46:36 UTC
While I absolutely agree with almost everything you've said here I have to take issue with this: I know that probably the majority of johns do not use prostitutes because they want rape. They want sex - and the fact that the prostitute doesn't want it doesn't deter them.

If a man wants to fuck a woman who doesn't want to have sex with him he wants rape. If a man fucks a woman who doesn't want to have sex with him then he is a rapist.

I just read an article written by a black woman saying that prostitution is slavery. If you are seriously arguing that johns do not know what they are doing when they rape women in prostitution then would you also argue that white people didn't know what they were doing when they bought and sold slaves? Because I don't see the difference. Men KNOW they are enslaving women when they purchase them for sex. That is part of the sexual point. Dominance and rapism are the point of prostitution NOT the unintended, misfortunate byproduct.

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eskarne October 3 2007, 23:19:21 UTC
I do know what you're saying - and I agree with it, I'm not sure I explained myself clearly.
Sex and rape are different things yes? One is about, I don't know, connection, pleasure, etc, and one is about power and control.
What I was trying to say is that I think there are men who use porn because they are seeking connection and pleasure, and they end up with the power & control thing.
Pornographers manipulate men's perfectly healthy desires for the connection/pleasure thing and warp them into something sick.
Not all men begin by seeking rape. I don't know if that explains it any better...

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_allecto_ October 4 2007, 12:23:25 UTC
Not all men begin by seeking rape.

Yep, I get you now. Of course, it is not little boys intention to grow up and become rapists but they get mind fucked with movies, porn etc and end up thinking that rape is sex.

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dis_senter October 3 2007, 14:42:00 UTC
This is a great post, but I also have to disagree with a little bit of it:

It is not perhaps as harmful as some other forms of rape, but the basic feeling of wanting to have sex with someone who does not want to have sex with you is rape-thinking. It is a difference of degree, not kind.Arguably, prostitution is even more harmful than other kinds of rape. After all, these are women who are being raped daily, and who have to deal with the physical and emotional trauma of this constantly ( ... )

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eskarne October 3 2007, 23:14:48 UTC
Yeah, I actually added a postscript in the anti_porn version of this to say that I wasn't so sure about that statement.

Keep in mind that I am for the most part talking about pornography - which is prostitution - and I suppose what I meant is - well, I have used porn and I have therefore contributed to the rape of the women in porn - but I haven't raped a woman in person, and I do see a difference in terms of what I did. Someone who has used porn (in ignorance) I think can be far more easily 'rehabilitated' than someone who has raped in person. I guess that's what I meant

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dis_senter October 4 2007, 04:02:58 UTC
Yes, I can see the difference there.

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_allecto_ October 4 2007, 12:31:45 UTC
Hmm... this is a quote from the Prostitution=Slavery article which seems pertinent.

The New York Times reported... that Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) was diagnosed in 20 to 30 percent of the Vietnam vets, approximately half of whom suffer long term psychiatric problems. The article also reported that PTSD is found in less than 5 percent of the general population - but is found in two-thirds of prostituted women.

Prostitution is overwhelmingly more traumatic than war. That statistic really shocked me.

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