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[esorlehcar]

In the HOW FUCKING COOL IS THIS department, burnfor recorded a podcast of Stumbling Across Its Bleak Ending, AND cybel created a podbook with a cover. *bounces* I'm kind of ridiculously excited about this. Podcast! Podbook! Hooray! I also have the podcast of Guardians of a Rare Thing that mirabile_dictu did for my birthday last year... I can upload that again if anyone

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[apocalypsos]

Okay, unless Dean wants to fuck the flowers, the florist comparison is kind of idiotic.

And let me get this straight. I've written stories where I've had Dean participate in NaNoWriMo, get addicted to Sudoku, secretly write romance novels, and do ridiculously well in home economics. But oh, if I write that he likes cock sometimes, that's just WAY too silly!

[esorlehcar]

And now, CLEARLY, you must write a story where Dean is a florist because of his secret and all-consuming lust for daisies.

[cybel]

I'm very straight (sorry) forward about my views on slash. It's what I want to read. It was what I wanted to read before I knew it existed--hell, before I knew sex existed. Finding K/S in the mid 70's was such a revelation to me: it filled an empty space in my psyche I hadn't been consciously aware of but had been trying to fill with hurt comfort stories since I first found those.

Nothing's changed in the last 30+ years in this regard. Slash is vital to my well being. Fandom (largely of the slash variety) gives me community and keeps me sane. I even read gen now! I've become more liberal in my old age! I is quietly proud about this! But don't mess with my slash! If you can't take the heat (again, sorry) just get the hell out of my kitchen! No one invited you to lunch anyway!

[esorlehcar]

Heh, I almost never read gen before SPN, but then, I'm firmly convinced gen doesn't actually exist in this fandom. It's either slash or pre-slash, but there is no possible universe in which they don't end up together. Pigs might fly, the sun might revolve around the earth, Karl Rove might display an ounce of human decency, but Sam and Dean ending up with anyone else? Not gonna happen.

[marinarusalka]

Wait, does that mean the SPN gen writers have to go sit with the bisexuals and the girl gamers now?

I suddenly feel like Arlo Guthrie in "Alice's Restaurant." "And they AAAAAALL moved awaaaaaay from me on the Group W bench..."

[esorlehcar]

Heeee! No, it means, you may be writing gen, but I'm reading slash :-)

[psycholibrarian]

Incest between fictional characters is not acceptable as it normalises a traumatic event

Um... and perhaps fictional characters should not be hunting demons and burning bones and things because it is normalizing traumatic events?

That's still what pisses me off most about the majority of anti-Wincest wank. The complete inability to contextualize something within this particular canon as opposed to any other canon. o_0

[onelittlesleep]

Um... and perhaps fictional characters should not be hunting demons and burning bones and things because it is normalizing traumatic events?

That's still what pisses me off most about the majority of anti-Wincest wank. The complete inability to contextualize something within this particular canon as opposed to any other canon. o_0

ooooh, smart. Very true!

[esorlehcar]

One of the things that always pisses me off about anti-Wincest wank is the number of people who refuse to concede the fact that purely consensual, mutually pleasurable adult incest is not the same thing as the child rape most people are referring to when they use the word. You can argue that it's still fucked up, you can argue that it's possible for it ever to be truly consensual, you can argue that you find it just as nauseating, but saying it's the same thing shows you have no understanding of either. Sort of like people trying to compare BDSM to spousal abuse... if you can't understand the fundamental difference, you're really not in any position to have the conversation.

And now, of course, someone somewhere will start screaming that I compared incest to BDSM, because reading comprehension is a long-dead art.

[psycholibrarian]

if you can't understand the fundamental difference, you're really not in any position to have the conversationExactly! We can always take this argument out of fandom and apply it to pretty much anything in the real world, but it's just so very very tiresome having to explain this to fen... who generally think of themselves as intelligent, liberal and open-minded people. (Though maybe my standards have been set too high

[onelittlesleep]

*FACEPALM

[shoiryu]

If she really had NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER with gay culture, why would she be so disappointed to see Dean represented by what she obviously imagines are gay traits?

I think you've hit the nail on the head honestly. It's all one big disassociation between fantasy and reality, and for some reason to these people "gay" means "simpering around flapping one's hands limply."

[onelittlesleep]

Yes! I truly believe that that is SOMETIMES very much the problem non-slashers have with slash fiction. And maybe also because it makes them really uncomfortable, influenced by a heteronormative social consciousness, to imagine their straight, male characters being sodomized. I think it must be VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.

YET, I know lots of people that don't partake in slash because they don't see enough subtext on the show to believe in it and aren't turned on by it. AND YOU KNOW WHAT, I'd have a lot more respect for a non-slasher who was just like "You know? I don't like slash because it doesn't turn my crank!" BECAUSE, HELL. That's a LOT of why we're all here and no one's gonna make someone read something that doesn't DO it for them.

That's why I read and write a lot of het. Because it turns my crank. And so does slash sometimes. Depending on my mood. And that's just FANGIRL PRIORITY.

[esorlehcar]

Yes! I truly believe that that is SOMETIMES very much the problem non-slashers have with slash fiction. And maybe also because it makes them really uncomfortable, influenced by a heteronormative social consciousness, to imagine their straight, male characters being sodomized. I think it must be VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.

I think that's a HUGE part of it, a whole lot of the time. there are plenty of people who don't see subtext, but they don't (generally) turn it into long screeds about how wrong anyone who does see subtext is.

*Rubs palms together*

[cattraine]

Okay! Where are the Dean as a Hawt Florist stories? Come on, girls! Rachael? Susan! Double dog dare here! Virtual chocolates and booze if it has a actual plot!

Re: *Rubs palms together*

[esorlehcar]

I really, really, really want a story where Dean's secret career choice is florist, and it breaks his heart a little every day. Susan should totally write it!

Re: *Rubs palms together*

[cattraine]

And Sam seduces him with flowers....*sigh* Susan, oh Susan?