I just want to make sure everyone has seen this buried subthread

[scarah2]

We report child pornography to the NCMEC, as required by law.

Scroll down to markf's reply in particular. It's heavily implied that ponderosa121 and elaboration were reported to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Harry Potters Children.

I'm going to check innocence_jihad and if this isn't already there, I'm gonna crosspost it. Sorry if you see it twice, but I'm finding that a

Comments

[ex_leianora730]

Oh... markf, markf, markf! Stop trying to show us what a small brain you have! Your attempt at a scare tactic didn't go over very well, did it? You just made the entire fandom laugh at you, and you didn't really scare anyone. We're all just sitting here shaking our heads at how stupid your desperate need to play the big, powerful LJ man with mysterious abilities and LJ staffer secrets of doom and statements you can't confirm or deny just made you look. Here's lookin at you, jackass!

[scarah2]

Well, he scared me to the point where I deleted all my entries. Except for the one with a macro saying that I deleted all my entries.

[joiedumonde]

That so needs to be made into an icon. Maybe along the lines of that "if all the porn was deleted from the net the only site left would be www.bringbackporn.com"

[haights]

Exactly!

I love how the workers of LJ are making themselves look dumber and dumber as the minutes pass.

[longlongwaytogo]

If that's true, that's horrendous.

[nagaina_ryuuoh]

Breathe. Unlike LJ, NCMEC knows what the actual content of child pornography laws are and what real child porn entails. The fucker was trolling.

[scarah2]

trolling.

As an official representative of LJ staff.

[nagaina_ryuuoh]

Considering the generally atrocious behavior of not one but several 6A/LJ employees during this entire fucktarded debacle, nothing surprises me anymore. But, in retrospect, perhaps 'trolling' is not the term I should have used -- attempted intimidation by vague inference might be more accurate.

Look, in my real life, I am not a lawyer. I am, however, a professional freelance writer and my most recent professional commission has required me to wade hip-deep into just the sort of territory organizations like the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children actually investigate. This ain't it. Why? Because it is the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children not the National Center for Missing and Exploited Fictional Characters. Might they have reported it? Sure, if only to engage in a thoroughly ridiculous even under current law CYA gesture. I can say, with absolute certainty, that the NCMEC does not smile kindly on people wasting their time reporting "crimes" against children who do not actually exist.

[mystalkershrine]

"Because it is the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children not the National Center for Missing and Exploited Fictional Characters. "
OMG! WE SHOULD MAKE ONE!! STOP THE CHARACTER ABUSE!!! Down with raping Harry!!!

Um what.

[tamburlaine]

Fandom, there are much larger issues involved here.

And with all due respect, either you people are deluded as hell or just in complete ignorance of the US' policies.

Says markf: I think this illustrates rather well, though, what the legal climate is on this type of material, and people could argue indefinitely over child porn vs. obscenity, and what is artistic merit. The bottom line is, until you've changed the opinion of some much greater powers, it's more or less irrelevant what anyone at Six Apart or LiveJournal personally thinks.

Exactly. Clearly the decisions made by Six Apart were made to avoid negative/destructive entanglement with the laws and standards of a much much much higher power. And with good reasons -- the least of all being the safety of its visitors. The public -- "fandom" -- must consider the frenzied climate that online businesses are having to live in in the wake of MySpace's account terminations of over 29,000 registered sex offenders

Re: Um what.

[haights]

*snorts*

Congratulations! You have succeeded in making yourself look like a complete moron. Maybe you and markf should hang out.

Re: Um what.

[tamburlaine]

Oh really? I'd ask why, but it seems that my completely reasonable opinions are not valid here.

So I'll just say this: Sarcasm is cheap. If you want to have a useful debate about these topics, I'm more than willing to engage you on a mature level.

Re: Um what.

[haights]

What made me laugh at you was this statement, "You're not suggesting that Livejournal break the laws, are you?"

If LJ says that they're going to follow the laws with this whole fandom thing, then they should at least follow through all the way with all the other issues here on their website which have been pointed out to them and they've brushed them off. This isn't just about fandom now, it's more than that and LJ doesn't seem to care that harmful things are happening on their website besides what's going on right now.

as I said on FW

[canlib]

I think that part of why HP fanart is so problematic is that there are the books and the movies. LJ judged that ponderosa's pic (and elaboration's though I haven't seen it) could be of a minor. If there was only the books, it would purely be an issue of a fictional character. The existence of the movies mean that a representation of naked underaged Harry cannot be easily distinguished from a representation of naked underaged Dan Radcliff. IANAL and all that but I'm betting that whatever laws exist for that situation are far less clear than any dancing 6A has been doing. It'd probably have to look very different from the actor not to cause concern and I'm 100% sure that the current age of DR would have no bearing at all if the pic was judged to be possibly of a minor. At which point, 6A could be legally required to report it. At least that's probably why they did - if they did.

Re: as I said on FW

[everenthralledx]

The existence of the movies mean that a representation of naked underaged Harry cannot be easily distinguished from a representation of naked underaged Dan Radcliff.

And thanks to Equus, we all know EXACTLY what Daniel looks like under his robes.