To be honest, I'm not sure why people have ever thought she was subversive. I keep hearing this, but I don't see it. We've been mass producing entertainment for a long time now, and some in the business are very good at commodifying art while simultaneously somehow convincing people this is not what they're doing.
Here's the thing. You're assuming that you fully grasp, know and understand everything this woman and her cohorts are thinking, formulating and materializing. You don't. Therefore, your entire argument and all your critique, fails and ends right there
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you are telling me i'm patriarchal when Gaga struts her naked ass all over the globe and calls herself a feminist....i would really reconsider what you're saying
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Please don't try to shame Gaga for being comfortable with her body. If you aren't comfortable with her body, that's okay. But shaming her for it is not.
Did I shame her? No, just pointing out a fact that she readily admits. And she calls this feminism. She makes it a point to be a point of discussion, and so she shall be...
Marketing firms and advertising agencies now enjoy an unprecedented relationship with the avant-garde, so much so that they’ve become one and the same. (And this explains Lady Gaga to a T). And Gaga allows consumerist objectification to be her staple. That is hardly feminism, one can be comfortable with their body and not need to turn it into a spectacle, for the male gaze or for their own.
Take high heels for instance....
It seems as if you believe in arguing for arguing sake - and for that I do declare: namaste!
I... really a) don't see how this pertains to feminism 101 and b) am unsure if you understand media and art and their (dys)functional relationship with reality. (Technically, everyone who has ever written fiction has only written lies. That doesn't mean they aren't beautiful lies that can teach us truth.)
Ok, domestic violence sucks, but as we come to learn: if you relive and create the trauma on the other, you are stuck in the same abusive patterns. You gotta want to make yourself grow, rather than keep yourself down in the perpetrator’s gaze that you graft to your own. It’s your decision; I guess you haven’t come to it yet. Perhaps you can spin that lesson into your spectacle at some point? Too sappy? Wisdom is pretty much the opposite of infantile cultures of excess.
I can't even deal with how offensive this is.
Given your flippant tone, I can only assume that you haven't dealt with domestic violence personally. Blaming the victim is ... Yeah. I can't actually deal with the offensiveness.
I'm not blaming the victim: i am saying that preaching love and unity is inconsistent with murdering men. when you abuse the abuser, you are simply buying into their world of trauma and repression, you cannot overcome it by becoming it. you must at some point realize the abuse, leave the situation, and recover. that's not blaming the victim, that's simply leaving the cycle of violence so i don't want you to misinterpret what i'm trying to convey. what i am saying is that Gaga pretty much either hasn't gotten the psychological help she needs or she's perfectly fine with grafting the abuser's patterns of abuse onto herself for the sake of art..
and i talk from a disgust with hyper-capitalism and consumer art as cultural commentary, not so much literary theory. i understand the purpose of fiction, i write poetry. also, Gaga has declared she wants nothing to do with truth, only bullshit...
Lies - fiction, construct, false identities - can show us the world in new and true ways. I don't see how Lady Gaga is any different there.
Gaga pretty much either hasn't gotten the psychological help she needs or she's perfectly fine with grafting the abuser's patterns of abuse onto herself for the sake of art..
It's not your place to judge when and how someone else gets psychological help and comments like this are inflammatory and condemnatory to those who do seek it. Do stop.
You also seem to be conflating capitalism and consumerism with the patriarchy. They aren't the same thing and are hardly synonyms. Some feminists are anti-capitalists, some are not. Please stop confusing the two.
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Marketing firms and advertising agencies now enjoy an unprecedented relationship with the avant-garde, so much so that they’ve become one and the same. (And this explains Lady Gaga to a T). And Gaga allows consumerist objectification to be her staple. That is hardly feminism, one can be comfortable with their body and not need to turn it into a spectacle, for the male gaze or for their own.
Take high heels for instance....
It seems as if you believe in arguing for arguing sake - and for that I do declare: namaste!
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Ok, domestic violence sucks, but as we come to learn: if you relive and create the trauma on the other, you are stuck in the same abusive patterns. You gotta want to make yourself grow, rather than keep yourself down in the perpetrator’s gaze that you graft to your own. It’s your decision; I guess you haven’t come to it yet. Perhaps you can spin that lesson into your spectacle at some point? Too sappy? Wisdom is pretty much the opposite of infantile cultures of excess.
I can't even deal with how offensive this is.
Given your flippant tone, I can only assume that you haven't dealt with domestic violence personally. Blaming the victim is ... Yeah. I can't actually deal with the offensiveness.
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and i talk from a disgust with hyper-capitalism and consumer art as cultural commentary, not so much literary theory. i understand the purpose of fiction, i write poetry. also, Gaga has declared she wants nothing to do with truth, only bullshit...
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Gaga pretty much either hasn't gotten the psychological help she needs or she's perfectly fine with grafting the abuser's patterns of abuse onto herself for the sake of art..
It's not your place to judge when and how someone else gets psychological help and comments like this are inflammatory and condemnatory to those who do seek it. Do stop.
You also seem to be conflating capitalism and consumerism with the patriarchy. They aren't the same thing and are hardly synonyms. Some feminists are anti-capitalists, some are not. Please stop confusing the two.
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