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sapphireluna June 13 2011, 13:20:52 UTC
Wow. That really says a lot about raw.

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leliel June 13 2011, 15:16:46 UTC
And these fuzzes are all about the same age?

Wow, definitely food for thought...

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craze_176 June 13 2011, 19:13:51 UTC
Kitty is closer to 8 years so his teeth are pretty gross. He also has a chip on his canine there. Lint is only about 4 though and Munchie started out with teeth about equal, maybe a little dirtier, and now she has sparkly whites. (And Munchie was on evo)

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libwitch June 13 2011, 16:26:25 UTC
I suspect it depends on the kibble; mine won't touch meat (cooked or raw, they simply don't show interest. But as far as I can tell all of them have probably always been kibble fed. They are all adopted.) But mine have teeth that are healthy and white, not gnarly and yellow. Even the older ones.

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craze_176 June 13 2011, 19:17:07 UTC
Oh it probably depends on a lot of things. But tons of kibble fed ferrets are experiencing gingivitis and tooth rot just like dogs and cats so it is a big problem with a lot of fuzzies. Genetics, body chemistry (mouth pH level), how close the teeth are, chewing habits, etc etc would all play a part though..

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craze_176 June 13 2011, 19:18:28 UTC
PS Noodle and Munchie didn't automatically switch to raw either. I've heard they imprint on their foods so they can be tough to switch. With Munchi I had to blend kibble and raw together and she was totally onto raw but with Noodle I had to hand feed her every meal for a month XD

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craze_176 June 13 2011, 19:28:32 UTC
I'm just gonna copy/paste this bit.. lol

There's a few tricks here and there but most people start with blending meats/eggs/etc and putting a dab on their nose or tongue. This worked with Noodle but then I had to hand feed/encourage/supervise every meal for a month. Now she'll never go back!

With Munchie all I had to do was blend kibble and raw together and she was totally set on raw.

I've heard ferrets imprint on their foods from being a baby so that's why they are hard to switch at times. If you're determined like I was though, it can be done! XD

Lets see.. #1 & #2 are my friend's ferrets and they have been on 8 in 1 but I'm not sure which formula. #3, my Munchie, was on EVO and Orijen and is one year younger than #2 but had teeth just as bad, or even worse!

I have no idea what my friend feeds aside from kibble. Probably nothing as these guys are 'picky'. I did get them to try raw though ;)

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craze_176 June 13 2011, 21:56:00 UTC
Despite what everyone says, I don't think the 8 in 1 is a good food. Way too many carbs for an animal that isn't supposed to eat any. Kitty in pic 1 has insulinoma from eating carby food all his life including 8 in 1.

His owner didn't know and I had the joy of him slipping into 2 episodes while I was ferret sitting him. We think he's been dealing with it so long his blood sugar level is always reaaally low.

So even though I'm not a fan of kibble period (even though I work around it >.<), I say feed high protein, low carbs to cats and ferrets. Feed canned if possible, especially for cats.

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hokeysmoke June 13 2011, 19:17:54 UTC
I used to feed my old Danes raw and found the same thing; cleaner teeth, cleaner skin/coats, less elimination waste.

The only problem with the Danes was the horrible broccoli farts.

My ferts have shown no interest in any raw food I've put before them, even after rubbing a little on their gums.

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craze_176 June 13 2011, 19:23:46 UTC
There's a few tricks here and there but most people start with blending meats/eggs/etc and putting a dab on their nose or tongue. This worked with Noodle but then I had to hand feed/encourage/supervise every meal for a month. Now she'll never go back!

With Munchie all I had to do was blend kibble and raw together and she was totally set on raw.

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hokeysmoke June 13 2011, 19:27:13 UTC
Do you feed any other supplements (like Nupro) or is the raw diet nutritious enough?

Bug, my oldest, loves freeze-dried salmon - and frequently BEGS for it, but won't touch it when it's fresh. Go figure.

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craze_176 June 13 2011, 19:35:36 UTC
No supplements other than fish oils. Their diet is complete with organs, liver and bone. Liver contains vitamins; a, b vitamins, c, d, e, and k. Bone has calcium and minerals..

So supplements like Nupro aren't needed and seeing as it's all kelp and other non-meat things, not very digestible anyway. We sell it at my work but I really don't agree with supplements like that for a healthy non-reproductive animal.

Omg Noodle LOVES anyway freeze dried. Munchie only likes a few things but freeze dried treats are great. Mine both love freeze dried raw meals (meaty ones) as treats.

Right now they are on strike for Plato's 90% meat duck and chicken thinker sticks. I buy them at work and slice them up into tiny bits. They are addicted. lol

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