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fitchersvogel

Sherlock - The Great Game

Aug 11, 2010 02:58

Of course I loved it, will watch it again 300 times, pre-ordered the DVD and already unconciously started imitating The Cumb's hand movements (my boss, sitting next to me "What was that?"; really happened, haha).

( Here's some words :) )

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alex_s9 August 11 2010, 11:04:33 UTC

I seem to be the only person to despise the scene in planetarium, it was as if directly taken from old silent movies. And now that you mentioned it, it reminds me heavily of the fight between Holmes and Moriarty at Reichenbach waterfall from a Russian version of Holmes.

fitchersvogel August 12 2010, 20:59:22 UTC

Maybe that's why I liked it :). It had this slightly trashy, old-fashioned feeling. I also love the Holmes/Moriarty fight in the Russian version, because it's so artificial and exaggerated, but real (as in "no special effects") at the same time.

taigrin August 11 2010, 14:49:55 UTC

PIIIIIIIPS, SO GREAT!!!!

I'm with you, the 1st episode was special because we didn't expect it to be SO FRAKKING AWESOME but there was so much canon stuff in The Great Game... oh GOD. I really enjoyed every second of it.

Sherlock screaming at the screen because of the talkshows was so lol... it's so Sherlock and IC that I'm still surprised they did it so well, really. And being grumpy when Watson gets mad with him for shooting the wall... no words!!

The pool scene was weird, I mean, when it started I thought "pool = falls so... Sherlock is going to 'drown' in the pool? That's stupid" but I kept thinking that until the very end XD

WE WANT A VIOLIN CONCERT NEXT TIME, PLEASE (I guess it was because Mr Cucumber wasn't ready to 'play' it the correct way)

fitchersvogel August 12 2010, 21:02:34 UTC

Haha, yes, I was like you with the pool scene: it's Reichenbach, he has to pretend to fall in and drown (and probably hide under a jumping board or something). Much less dramatic in a kiddie pool, compared to the WATERFALLS OF HELL :).

And RE: VIOLIN: he just has to pretend, for god's sake, we're not that picky!!!!!! Ok, maybe we are a bit picky where violins are concerned :)...

pythia_delphi August 14 2010, 17:49:37 UTC

Was waiting for your reaction so we could discuss. I loved it too, and agree that the second episode was the poorer cousin of the twin first and third episodes. Which is, of course, explained by the different writing-directing team of the second (who obviously aren't as fanatical about canon as Moffat and Gatiss are). I think I liked the third about as much as the first, though I agree with your assessment that the element of joyous glee was less because this time I was expecting it to be good. Cumberbatch didn't fail to impress as usual, although his violin playing did suck (still canon though, as Holmes sometimes plays horribly discordant stuff when he's in a black mood). BC has over a year to improve his fingering though, so I'm hoping he'll be much better at it next season. ;-) I also thought John was characterised a lot better than in the second episode. I loved the banter and arguments between them, especially John's incredulousness at how seemingly callous Sherlock is. Not deliberately malevolent, but unheeding that there is ( ... )

fitchersvogel August 18 2010, 22:20:21 UTC

Sorry for the late reply!!! Seems I do have a life after all (even if it's only work, haha ( ... )

pythia_delphi August 19 2010, 18:29:58 UTC

'Tis a shame we have to participate in RL and not be able to roll around in our Sherlock obsession 24/7, right ( ... )

fitchersvogel August 23 2010, 22:19:00 UTC

Everything you said, yes, yes, yes :). And, very important: the Sherlockian brand of kindness (as opposed to the more direct Watsonian love of the whole human race), which gets overlooked so easily (I think I've said that before).
Funny enough, when I first read and reread the books, before I'd seen any adaptations, I didn't see Sherlock as an arrogant man at all. Maybe that's my penchant for overlooking faults in men I love (it has happened, haha), but there are so many mentions of him softly laying a hand on a distressed client's arm, or calming them down with a few kind words. I loved the scene at the end of Ep.2, when he released Sarah :).

Thread 6

Here's a bit more... pythia_delphi August 14 2010, 22:01:17 UTC

As regards canon references, did you notice they merged the Bruce-Partington storyline with that of the Naval Treaty in that they had the fiance's brother steal the state secrets (Joe Harrison, who was Joseph Harrison in NAVAL). Sherlock's recognising a piece of handwriting as a woman's was also from NAVAL, although the allusion was linked to 'Bohemian' notepaper and therefore to SCANDAL. And we never found out who that woman was, did we? *ponders* The exchange and one-upmanship between Mycroft and Sherlock at 221B (when they discuss John's sleeping on the sofa) was taken from The Greek Interpreter when they deduce stuff about a widower with children by observing him from a window of Diogenes club. Another reference is the deductions Sherlock makes from the swimmer boy's shoes, and his asking for John's opinion- I thought it was an allusion to Henry Baker's hat in The Blue Carbuncle, but another fan thought it was Dr. Mortimer's walking stick from HOUND. I suppose they both fit. As for the undetectable poison, I immediately recalled ( ... )

Re: Here's a bit more... fitchersvogel August 18 2010, 22:32:12 UTC

NAVA, that's clever, didn't get that :)! I didn't even notice that they said his name? Must be more observant in the future!!

I think it was implied that the woman was the gallery owner, who was told to send the phone by Moriarty (without knowing what this was about).

So many references! It's heaven :). I know there must be some (or many) I didn't catch on my first viewing (hadn't time to rewatch it completely, it's terrible!!). I saw on the comm that someone compiled a list of all the Canon references - I will check that out when I have the time.

Yeah, Connie Prince - but it would have fit!! It was of course much better the way they did it, there's a reason I'm not a scriptwriter :)... That reminds me of one thing I didn't like: her brother. The whole story with him, her, his lover, the way he was portrayed - maybe I have to watch it again, but it annoyed me. But this is very minor, of course.

Re: Here's a bit more... pythia_delphi August 19 2010, 18:37:05 UTC

Oh yes, the gallery owner- hadn't thought about her. Makes a lot of sense, but I kinda hope they've left that bit open so as to introduce Irene Adler in the next season. *prays*

In re canon references, you know what would have made me really worship the writers? When Sherlock is watching crap TV, if he hadn't said 'he's not the father, look at the turn-ups of his jeans,' which doesn't make much logoical sense, if you stop and think about it, but instead had said something along the lines of 'look at his earlobes.' Neatly references The Cardboard Box, and is also a great observation and deduction as the shape of the pinna (and whether earlobes are attached or detached) really is genetically determined.

Oh yes, I contributed some stuff to that list. I think between us, we've covered it all, actually. :-)

Re: Here's a bit more... pythia_delphi August 20 2010, 21:33:23 UTC

Ooh, almost missed mentioning another easter egg I adored- The Baker Street Irregulars are now the homeless network. :-)

Thread 10

I forgot... pythia_delphi August 14 2010, 22:08:30 UTC

... to mention that what I think will happen after that f***ing cliffhanger is that Sherlock will shoot the bomb and at the same time, John will dive at him to plunge them both into the pool to help them escape being blown apart (they do share a LOOK just beforehand). I agree that that would be a wonderful twist to canon. Just have to wait for a year to know for sure. how on earth will we manage until then?! I miss the Cumberpatch already!

Re: I forgot... fitchersvogel August 18 2010, 22:45:17 UTC

He has to be really quick then! Does this actually work? I mean, he would have to jump at Sherlock before he shoots and push him (and himself) into the pool exactly at the moment he fires off the shot.
Not that I let reality stand in the way of a dramatic moment (I actually don't let it stand in the way of a dramatic moment in real life, love those dramatic moments!).
I think you are right, however, it's the best and most plausible way, and the "look" was definitely there!
The question is: how will Moriarty survive? Because I read somewhere that he will be on the scene for more episodes (don't know who said it, I think Moffat). My personal, secret theory is that Sherlock accidentially (or on purpose?) brought the cabbies gun :). No, just joking... or am I???

In my desparation, I started watching Doctor Who, Season 5 because of Moffat. I never watched Doctor Who before (most Austrians have never even heard of it) - it's really very good! No patch on the Cumber, though :)!

Re: I forgot... pythia_delphi August 19 2010, 18:48:52 UTC

Huzzah for unrealistic dramatic moments!

Are they really bringing Moriarty back? That's, um, I'm not sure how I feel about that, tbh. If he had remained in the shadows, then totally, but Jimbo has me feeling a bit underwhelmed even after a couple of repeat watches. I thought the actor displayed some really chilling moments of creepy and crazily dangerous, but I'm still a bit meh. I did like the comparisons and likenesses they managed to convey between Sherlock and Moriarty though. I think I'd rather have them introduce (or reveal) Moran, or else have Jim be a fake!Moriarty or only part of the whole Moriarty equation. That'd make me sit up ( ... )

Re: I forgot... fitchersvogel August 23 2010, 22:39:48 UTC

Life would be a bit dull without them, eh?

I have to find the interview where this was said. I'll go looking tomorrow. And I could totally see Jim being a part of "Moriarty", whatever Moriarty is (more than a man and all that), and I don't mean just an organization. To be honest, I don't know what I mean (aliens, probably. NO - I've been watching too much Dr. Who).
I've watched "Stuart, a life backwards" yesterday - it was very good, I recommend it - and it really shows how versatile our boy is - you wouldn't recognize Sherlock in it :).

Oh, and the fake gunning - that would be very, very stupid :). No purpose at all, I'm afraid!