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endlesswonder in foralleternity

Hunting me will only make things more difficult for you

Oct 10, 2011 10:11

So, I've been doing some more projecting thinking.

( Jack the Ripper vs Spring-Heeled Jack stuff with John/Helen overtones. If we were somehow supposed to just take all this as read anyway, then feel free to slap me upside the head and tell me I'm stating the obvious. )

john druitt, jack the ripper, helen/john, season 4

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endlesswonder October 10 2011, 09:54:24 UTC

Yay! Thank you! My shipper imagination tends to get away from me at these moments, with no regard for canon or logic, so I'm so pleased it made sense to someone other than me. I worked 7pm-7am, so I spent allllll night thinking about it. This show, I swear to God.

I don't like it either. But at the same time, I kind of really, really do? WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME?

*joins you in the corner*

nomorefrostbite October 10 2011, 03:27:27 UTC

John can break any part of me, ANY DAY HE LIKES. Whether that is my Off Switch or any other bodily parts.

endlesswonder October 10 2011, 09:54:56 UTC

Seconded. Oh, God. So seconded.

yazizzle33 October 10 2011, 03:34:10 UTC

Hmm, I just assumed that that last murder wasn't John and was Jack because of what we were told in the episode. I do remember noticing the gash on the woman's cheek, but I didn't really think that much of it. This is interesting though.

endlesswonder October 10 2011, 10:07:21 UTC

So did I, at first. But then I started thinking about it. And then I couldn't stop thinking about it. I kept expecting to run up against something that contradicted it, but I haven't so far. I've never been very good at this stuff, though, so I'm sure someone will find something that shoots it down. We'll probably never know for sure one way or the other, anyway. Boooooo.

yazizzle33 October 10 2011, 20:40:10 UTC

Yeah, I can't imagine us finding out the truth. It's highly doubtful that the writers would pursue it. :(

a_blackpanther October 10 2011, 03:41:41 UTC

I really don't think future!Helen would have lied to protect John at all. She would have in order to protect the timeline, and it depends whether Ashley was conceived by this point as well.

It is possible that future!Helen just told James what he would have concluded himself. Or rather, she knows this is the conclusion James comes to because this is what happened in the original timeline. Except she didn't know until now that was a future version of herself who gave him that idea. Timey-wimey, wibbly wobbly.

endlesswonder October 10 2011, 10:23:54 UTC

I was actually meaning more Past!Helen at that point. Which, yeah, I didn't make clear at all. Oops. But the preservation of the timeline obviously isn't a factor in that case, and she just has so much more information than James has about the whole thing. She knows the significance of the cut, and the fact that the murder came right on the heels of her encounter with John. I just feel like she could have put the pieces together, and...not forgiven him, never that, but maybe kind of understood on some level? Because when she looked into his eyes, she really did see the man he used to be, the man she used to love with her entire being.

But ngl, this could be the part of the theory where I gave up on logic and just started projecting my feelings.

Ashley was definitely around by that point, though. She was conceived in 1888, or maybe even a little bit before.

I felt like maybe Future!Helen had a hand in it as well. Maybe she planted evidence or something? I don't know. UGH SHOW WHY DO YOU HAVE TO DO ME LIKE THIS?

laurajo October 10 2011, 18:46:30 UTC

Do we know John was even trying to control his rage at that point? And I say rage rather than creature deliberately, since he certainly had no idea it was a creature. And I don't mean in relation to Helen, I'm on board with him not harming her, but I don't think that's even necessarily a conscious thought to control himself around her. I'm more inclined to believe it's more instinctive, more just part of who he is, that Helen won't be physically hurt by him ( ... )

endlesswonder October 11 2011, 01:00:15 UTC

You make a good point, actually. (You do that kind of a lot.) It could have been a Helen-specific thing. But it's interesting that he went from that to making the first move - with a switchblade, no less - in the alleyway fight with Future!Helen. (Not that he made that distinction.) It makes me think that the rage (to use your word, which is more relevant in this context) was so strong at that point, even his "protect Helen" instinct wasn't enough to overcome it. Which kind of makes me think that the creature (and I do mean creature in this instance) was mad. And he'd just teleported, so it would have been mad and stronger. Much badness.

UGH, YOU HAVE GIVEN ME EVEN MORE TO THINK ABOUT. CURSE YOU AND THANK YOU AT THE SAME TIME.

Yeah, like I said, I think the cover-up part is right about where my shipper instinct takes over and the theory devolves into a John/Helen feelings parade. :P

(IKR? I'm so glad I decided to post this here!)

laurajo October 11 2011, 21:33:33 UTC

You make a good point, actually. (You do that kind of a lot.)Aww, thanks ( ... )