hobby lobby

[ford_prefect42]

To all those lamenting the hobby lobby case. 16 of 20 forms of "contraception" are currently covered by hobby lobby. 4 types of "contraception" are excluded. Including "plan B", and other "post event" "contraception". The decision specifically applies to closely held family businesses. It's not an expansion of "corporate personhood", because it is

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[prester_scott]

That this was even in debate means things have gotten rather ludicrously unbalanced.

Agreed. We shouldn't need a Supreme Court ruling to tell us the sky is blue.

[haikujaguar]

I stopped at the chapel on the way home yesterday just to sit there and watch the candles and remind myself to breathe and love my fellow man and woman. :P

[chess]

The problem isn't actually Hobby Lobby's exemptions - it's the other companies now relying on that ruling for more sweeping exemptions: http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/07/wider-impact-of-hobby-lobby-ruling/

If it stays with '4 of 16 types of contraception are unavailable' then that's not a major disaster. Forcing people to choose between any birth control at all and better healthcare for their current family (i.e. between an exchange plan that's almost certainly less value for money, but covers birth control, and the employer plan) is rather more of a problem.

Especially because birth control isn't just birth control - I take the Pill primarily because it stops me being incapacitated with pain and depression from my hormones and period for a week or more out of every month.

[marycatelli]

You do realize that these forms of contraception can be purchased with money, not just on health insurance?

And that they are not expensive?

And that insurance that prohibits them are contraception can cover the same drugs if used for other reasons, just as a formulary can allow a drug selectively for different purposes?

[chess]

No, I didn't. Doesn't that mean that a company that doesn't want to buy abortificants for moral reasons can't stop them being used for other purposes and incidentally having their main effect?

And how inexpensive are we talking? I get the impression that the people who are affected by this are low-wage retail workers who aren't known for having much spare money lying around.

(In my country you can't purchase most forms of contraception with money - they're available free on the NHS but you need to get a health check to make sure you're not particularly susceptible to the side effects of one variety and therefore should pick another...)

[marycatelli]

In this country you can pay cash for anything. Wise souls know to ask the doctor's office if there are discounts for immediate cash payments.

$9 a month.

One notes that low-wage retail workers aren't usually affected by this because they don't have insurance.

[mosinging1986]

Nothing that's being discussed by either side seems even remotely connected to the reality of this decision.

I've had neither time nor mental energy to be involved in this particular Controversy of the Day.

But your above comment seems to be the usual when it comes to any issue! There's XYZ Controversy, then there's the XYZ legal ruling or response from the involved parties, then follows the backlash, then the backlash to the backlash, and then the backlash to the backlash of... the backlash.

And more often than not, when you go aaaaaaaaaaaaall the way back to the original issue, you see how everything has been misrepresented and/or the actual points lost in all the shrieking back and forth.

I'm sick of it.

Can anyone READ or LISTEN these days?

[haikujaguar]

The habit of research, introspection, and careful thinking are things that need to be taught to most people, and... I don't know that they are being so.

Which is why I am bleeding a vein to pay for private school. :,

[mosinging1986]

If you've found a place that teaches such things, then more power to you!

[haikujaguar]

They seem to be doing a good job. Between them and us as her parents, we should cover the bases. My husband has already taught her about astroturfing. At six years old, she comes to us when she wants to buy an app and reports that it has 47 reviews and that "most of them are good but not all of them, so they probably didn't pay anyone to say nice things about them."

[haikujaguar]

Awww, don't be hard on him. He knows how it's done in Chicago!

>.>

[mosinging1986]

Don't remind me. I live here!