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Aug 11, 2004 17:36

I think it's funny that Bush wants to end legacy admissions policies when it is clear that he (and his children) benefitted from such and he clearly was never Yale material to begin with. Shameful.

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from aaron anonymous August 11 2004, 16:09:23 UTC
how is it shameful? it's either he recognizes it's wrong (good), or he just doesn't get that he and his entire family have benefitted from legacy admissions policies (more likely).

let's just hope it keeps chumps like him from getting ahead. ever. again.
aaron

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Re: from aaron fragoletta August 11 2004, 16:59:30 UTC
shameful that he doesn't realize it, and that he doesn't acknowledge how it's set him up. I mean clearly he had no interest in this before it became a potential political issue.

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Re: from aaron anonymous August 11 2004, 17:38:11 UTC
if he follows through, i think it could be a good thing. i don't know the political context, though, so i don't know what you saw in it. do you have a link?

houston was a a legacy
aaron

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Actually jmmorton August 11 2004, 19:39:30 UTC
I think it's nice that he is being consistent with his view on affirmative action. In the article I read it said that he had made fun of the fact that he had gotten in because of his dad. So I don't think his unaware of the irony. *shrugs*

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Re: Actually jmmorton August 12 2004, 05:47:48 UTC
I was thinking about the affirmative action, and wondering if this too was couched in the rhetoric of a civil-rights struggle.
aaron

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Re: Actually fragoletta August 12 2004, 06:12:10 UTC
oh well that makes it somewhat better.

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veryschway August 12 2004, 05:40:41 UTC
Hmm. I have been out of touch with news the last couple days (trying to finish some classes). I guess it's good that he's being consistent, but I think ending legacies is pretty bad, although not bad in exactly the way ending affirmative action is bad, because the recipients of the latter deserve recompense while beneficiaries of the former do not. But in both cases, ending the policy will be bad for universities, I think. I have no problem with a Firestone or a Whitman getting into Princeton on the basis of his/her name as long as the families keep building shiny new buildings that poor folk like me can use.

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fragoletta August 12 2004, 06:11:37 UTC
i was thinking that too...if not for legacies the top universities would lose a great deal of income. and i certainly have no problems if all else being equal, a university chooses a legacy over a non-legacy, but i guess it carries more weight than as a simple tie-breaker...

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there is no way for it to end mayal August 12 2004, 09:35:50 UTC
oh, come on, do you really think that these institutions will let bush get rid of their legacy policies? i don't think so. even if the policy is not on paper (which i don't think it is), they're sill going to let in the students they need for donations somehow. even if they just argue that the students got in for some other reason ("we needed a tuba player this year and even though little Miss Firestone doesn't have stunning grades, she plays the tuba.")

that leads me to my next point, how are they going to police this? if they waste money to form a board to patrol universities and their adherence to non-legacy policies that would be appalling because the money could have been spent to fund schools schools in poor neighborhoods (which, of course would be the real way not to leave any child 'left behind'). Monkey must be spouting all this stuff so that he is consistent because there is really no practical way to implement any government policy for this.

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