Comments | fuhrerchrist: Goddamn it!

fuhrerchrist

Goddamn it!

May 19, 2005 15:21

I'm sick of people claiming that truth is mutable and relative. Get it through your thick little skulls that experience is a constant, and truth cannot change. And try remaining congruous with your own logic too ( Read more... )

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prom_star May 20 2005, 12:07:20 UTC

Jesse, I never would have cyber-believed that you would cyber-support a position of absolutes. I am cyber-shocked.

Tho i suppose it's cyber-possible that you're just taking this stance to instigate a cyber-debate.

(btw, i am not trying to mock. The whole "Cyber---" thing was clever)

fuhrerchrist May 24 2005, 03:04:23 UTC

I cyber-thank you Josh....

truth yo_spikeo May 20 2005, 19:22:53 UTC

is truth really as cut and dry as you think? after all a few hundred years ago it was "truth" that everybody revolved around the earth, whereas nowadays we insist that the "truth" is that we revolve around the sun. I know that it's due to different knowledge we've obtained, but with all the uncertainly, can we obtain the true "truth"? is it even possible to obtain such a piece of knowledge? perhaps truth is a bit more subjective then you think ;)

Re: truth fuhrerchrist May 20 2005, 21:14:20 UTC

John, this is precisely the argument I was hoping for.

Do you remember a few months ago when I was pure subjectivist, and considered all else irrational (and hated absolute beliefs)? Well, I figured somethings out.

The very fact is, in any given period, there is only one truth. And it exists as a constant in the (one) human mind, changing the respective values it represents, but still stays as what it represents, something that is "not incorrect" or "not false" as time moves on. You cannot take multiple times and compare them either, for it is much like comparing apples and oranges. The truth you have in your head now is absolute in what it represents, "something positive". Temporal constructs are valid distinguishers ( ... )

Re: truth yo_spikeo May 22 2005, 01:33:35 UTC

I have a couple problems with your argument ( ... )

Re: truth fuhrerchrist May 22 2005, 05:15:14 UTC

1) I believe that true subjectivity is something people often mis-understand. Nietzsche understood the problem well, and it drove him mad. See, the whole concept of perspective is that it is in and of itself a perspective; and the asserting of subjectivity (and the "call to power of men" as Nietzsche had said, to where people should only trust themselves) is contradictory, because who am I to trust another man who asserts that one should only trust in himself? So, my solution and understanding to this problem is, that there is no problem. We don't have the right to claim truth outside ourselves. Can you John, right this instant, think outside your own mind? No. (If you did, I would bow down and hail you as god) The fact is, we create problems by the self-application regarding the relativism of truth unnecesarily (if you recall, the problem goes as follows: "truth is relative", and "truth being relative" is relative, and thus it is self-negating). Does my solution of disregard make sense ( ... )