Hung. Over. Thanks, Dash, sorry about the spilled booze. I've got some contacts, I'll replace it. (Notice I don't offer to replace booze I drank. Not gonna, either, that was freely offered
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I have serious problems with the extent to which you and your ride belittle those you claim to want to work with. I would rather see that contempt and humor aimed at a cause you supposedly came to help with rather than the fellow students who came to do the same in good faith, no matter what
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I have to second this. I completely supported the concerns raised by both you and Dash, and would like to hope that the group is not afraid to criticize itself. On the other hand, there are ways of criticizing which strip the target of all dignity. Maybe people have to earn your respect, but they shouldn't have to earn your courtesy. I don't recall being myself personally attacked, so I'm not looking for an apology to me- however, I'm quite embarrassed that some vehement shit-slinging came out of nowhere during a meeting that was sometimes tangential but otherwise productive. I'm more familiar with such attention seeking behavior from, say, high school debate team or drama club. If this is a case of "does not play well with others" for you and the self-elected peanut gallery, then I am wondering why you want to be playing with others on this in the first place.
Such a bunch of dick-swinging and elements of the 'Hey, kids, let's put on a show!' that I totally lost my shit. Some people can't figure out what a devil's advocate is supposed to do and get hung up on problems that don't exist, other people want to ignore the actual problem in favor tangenting.
I think you know me well enough by now to know that I've got no problem with disagreeing and debating. That being said, there's a couple things I'd like to discuss with you one on one sometime in the next few days. Up for grabbing coffee or something?
All right. Why shouldn't the many people whom you pissed off turn around and say the same thing to you?
You're entitled to your opinion and your problems, and you can go have them. Do it away from me, though, because I don't know you, I don't care to know you, any more than I suspect you care to know me. Because I call things like I see them and if I see someone being stupidly boneheaded, I'm going to call them on it. You don't like the way I do it, that's your prerogative, just as my prerogative is not to change it just because a man calls me on it.This has nothing to do with what I brought up to you. It's also an assumption. If I didn't want to know you and wanted you to go away, I would just ignore you. It also has nothing to do with the cause; it makes things overly personal. I don't like the way you do it, but more importantly, I am concerned that the way you choose to go about it is the kind that would actually hurt a cause I care about, and get your ideas, admittedly good
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(post here as LJ is bitchtastic)bysshe_pleaseJune 26 2009, 01:03:31 UTC
By the way, I'll be more likely to respect your ideas when you gain the courage to actually present them without your friend having to tell you that it's ok if you do. When people have good ideas, I'll be the first to say so, and come to think of it, I was, last night, frequently. I notice you don't give me credit for that, either.That's kind of an assumption to make based on one thing, ain't it? Like you say, you never met me. Ailey was running the show last night. When I was starting to speak up, she as chairman decided to move on. Since when is a tendency towards quiet (and a bad habit of whispering to a buddy) lack of courage? I should have just spoken, but I have an entirely different model for these things than some people. If you want to call me on something, call me on the hypocrisy, since I'm a whisperer too
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Oh my god, stop the irony, it's painful.
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All right. Why shouldn't the many people whom you pissed off turn around and say the same thing to you?
You're entitled to your opinion and your problems, and you can go have them. Do it away from me, though, because I don't know you, I don't care to know you, any more than I suspect you care to know me. Because I call things like I see them and if I see someone being stupidly boneheaded, I'm going to call them on it. You don't like the way I do it, that's your prerogative, just as my prerogative is not to change it just because a man calls me on it.This has nothing to do with what I brought up to you. It's also an assumption. If I didn't want to know you and wanted you to go away, I would just ignore you. It also has nothing to do with the cause; it makes things overly personal. I don't like the way you do it, but more importantly, I am concerned that the way you choose to go about it is the kind that would actually hurt a cause I care about, and get your ideas, admittedly good ( ... )
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By the way, I'll be more likely to respect your ideas when you gain the courage to actually present them without your friend having to tell you that it's ok if you do. When people have good ideas, I'll be the first to say so, and come to think of it, I was, last night, frequently. I notice you don't give me credit for that, either.That's kind of an assumption to make based on one thing, ain't it? Like you say, you never met me. Ailey was running the show last night. When I was starting to speak up, she as chairman decided to move on. Since when is a tendency towards quiet (and a bad habit of whispering to a buddy) lack of courage? I should have just spoken, but I have an entirely different model for these things than some people. If you want to call me on something, call me on the hypocrisy, since I'm a whisperer too ( ... )
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