SPN "Sacrifice": The Dissertation

[gateslacker]

I've been trying to marshal my flaily thoughts enough to talk about the finale. I am always amazed at how others seem to do this so quickly and so well while my thoughts are still hyperactively bouncing around in my brain. And even after a 2 and a half viewings, (yes, I had to watch the final 30 minutes again immediately after watching the show on

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[cuddyclothes]

Excellent! *applause*

I will respond more when I am not so brain dead. Thanks for de-lurking!

[gateslacker]

Thank you for reading! I look forward to discussion when my brain has recovered from this lost day of flail that I have had.

great review!

[meckman37]

You deserve all the cookies for such an interesting, insightful review! Nice observation that they both long for the the thing that they each give to the other--Sam longs for trust, and Dean, for Sam to come through for him. And your observations about Sam's failures, again and again, even though he desperately wants and tries to do the right thing--spot on. Thanks for posting and sharing this!

Re: great review!

[gateslacker]

Thank you for taking the time to read! I wasn't sure if anyone would. Thinking about how it was for Sam makes me wanna cry. I just want him to win one. He thought this was it, when he had that conversation with Dean out by the car. I think it is possible that it will be, even if they did not accomplish what they set out to do. I hope so, anyway.

[borgmama1of5]

"To Sam's perspective, considering the voicemail he heard and the trashing of the amulet, it is a real possibility. It turns out Sam has real abandonment fears as well. Maybe he is one of those who leaves first so as to avoid being left behind."

You know, I had completely forgotten that voicemail and the amulet when watching that scene! You are absolutely right in how those incidents would be fueling Sam's belief that Dean despises him!

"I love how Sam implicitly trusts Dean but hasn't always come through for him. I love how Dean always comes through for Sam; saves Sam but hasn't always trusted him. They each long for that thing that they give the other, unconditionally."

This! You have summed up their entire relationship in 3 perfect sentences!

I look forward to see more thoughts from you in the future!

[gateslacker]

You know, I had completely forgotten that voicemail and the amulet when watching that scene!

It is so hard to keep track of these things (especially when you are an avid fanfic reader and trying to separate canon fact from fanfiction.)

I didn't consider it when I was watching, only later when I was thinking, thinking, thinking.

You have summed up their entire relationship in 3 perfect sentences!

Hee! It only took me most of a day and way more than three sentences to come up with it! ;)

Thank you so much for commenting and discussing with me! It is so much fun discussing the show, especially when it just will not let you go.

[kazluvsbooks]

Where is my cookie? :)

"I love how Sam implicitly trusts Dean but hasn't always come through for him. I love how Dean always comes through for Sam; saves Sam but hasn't always trusted him. They each long for that thing that they give the other, unconditionally."

YES!! THIS!! Isn't this what relationships are about?

Family is HARD!! The thing about it is you are forced to make it work, to bend to change, with friends you can just dump 'em. But this is how the Winchester's grow.

The end church scene would have to be nearly my alltime fave bro moment and the finale in my top 5 ep's.

I hope Jeremy will write some more in S9.

[gateslacker]

*sending yummy cookies*

Family is HARD!! The thing about it is you are forced to make it work, to bend to change, with friends you can just dump 'em. But this is how the Winchester's grow.

YES!! And what I don't get is how folks sometimes don't seem to understand how family relationships, especially when they are tumultuous, often fall into the same dynamic patterns over and over despite any prior progress that has been made. The brothers love each other but they are just too different to not have ongoing conflict. I can see growth and effort even when they fall into old habits.

The end church scene would have to be nearly my alltime fave bro moment and the finale in my top 5 ep's.

I could just watch it again and again!! Why is real life a thing?

[sandycub]

Excellent review of the chapter!! I agree so much!

[gateslacker]

Thank you! Thanks for wading reading through all of that!