(conversation begins with me talking a little bit about sexuality, cause I do that. Nothing too bad, asking her about her relationships and such.
(1:51:55 AM) flamechild101: well
(1:52:05 AM) flamechild101: im celebate until march
(1:52:10 AM) gavinfoxx: oh?
(1:52:12 AM) gavinfoxx: what happens then?
(1:52:43 AM) flamechild101: the equinox
(1:53:05 AM) gavinfoxx: could you elaborate some...?
(1:53:24 AM) flamechild101: im celebate until the equinox
(1:53:27 AM) flamechild101: religion
(1:53:37 AM) gavinfoxx: okay. who do you plan on sleeping with then?
(1:53:46 AM) flamechild101: nobody
(1:53:51 AM) gavinfoxx: ...?
(1:54:15 AM) gavinfoxx: not being celibate implies you have to, you know, sleep with someone
(1:54:24 AM) flamechild101: o
(1:54:32 AM) flamechild101: it means im able to resume being sexual
(1:54:53 AM) gavinfoxx: so who do you want to resume being sexual with?
(1:55:45 AM) gavinfoxx: ...hello?
(1:56:28 AM) gavinfoxx: and is this self-imposed? I know of no particular celibacy beliefs in the major pagan religions, teh ones most likely to care about equinoxes
(1:56:39 AM) flamechild101: im not sexual with anybody
(1:56:42 AM) flamechild101: Im single
(1:56:44 AM) gavinfoxx: awww
(1:56:51 AM) flamechild101: and im a druidian wicca
(1:56:57 AM) flamechild101: we do celibacies
(1:58:01 AM) gavinfoxx: heh, wicca is so broad that anyone who reads the right books can be celibate or not, being a very very modern religion with no major canononical doctrine -- like most religions were when they were first starting...
(1:58:37 AM) flamechild101: wiccan has been around longer than catholicism
(1:58:44 AM) gavinfoxx: no, wicca has been around for like 50 years
(1:59:02 AM) flamechild101: Old witchcraft,like that which i practice has its roots in ancient imes
(1:59:03 AM) gavinfoxx: 1954
(1:59:08 AM) flamechild101: *rolls eyes*
(1:59:16 AM) gavinfoxx: but it has no continuous relationship with what is known as wicca
(1:59:17 AM) flamechild101: thats when it was legalized in most states
(1:59:22 AM) gavinfoxx: some people might have some books
(1:59:32 AM) gavinfoxx: but wicca, in its current form, was pretty much invented in 1954
(1:59:44 AM) flamechild101: nope
(1:59:47 AM) flamechild101: sorry
(1:59:51 AM) flamechild101: but you'reb wrong.
(1:59:55 AM) flamechild101: Im a preistess
(2:00:03 AM) flamechild101: i know where my religion comes from
(2:00:16 AM) gavinfoxx: most of the older stuff isn't technically wicca, it is fragmentary remains of older original pagan religions
(2:00:30 AM) gavinfoxx: of which, for many of them, there aren't many coherent remains
(2:01:08 AM) flamechild101: and since when do you know?
(2:01:16 AM) gavinfoxx: Gerald Gardner pretty much took a few inspirations, and invented Wicca in 1954 by writing a book
(2:01:27 AM) flamechild101: I'll warn you I'm starting to get pissed off.
(2:01:43 AM) flamechild101: And No.Wiccan has been arond for long long times.
(2:02:07 AM) gavinfoxx: okay, what exactly do you believe and which specific tribe and culture did it come from, and what specific books written at what times?
(2:02:43 AM) gavinfoxx: some form of celtic polytheism? that isnt wicca
(2:03:08 AM) gavinfoxx: the 18th century revival of druidism?
(2:03:26 AM) flamechild101: The Wiccan religion, sometimes called the old religion, also known to many as "Witchcraft", has existed since pre-Christian times. With the advent of the Christian system of beliefs, the followers of the old religion were forced into hiding. The new Christian followers were attempting to convert the non-Christians, or Wiccans, to their religion. Rumors of the old Gods being devils and therefore no good were quickly spread. The Christians believed that anyone who chose not to follow their religion was a heathen and would be doomed to burn in a place they call "Hell". The non-Christians were called "Witches" and were persecuted and thrown in jail for many years because of the vicious stories created about them
(2:03:26 AM) gavinfoxx: reconstructionist, trying to figure out and reconstruct what existed in Roman times?
(2:03:58 AM) gavinfoxx: oh damn, you are quoting some badly researched bullshit that comes from badly written books by crock authors like Silver Ravenwolf
(2:03:59 AM) gavinfoxx: lol
(2:04:12 AM) gavinfoxx: woo, I read it in a wicca book, so it must be true!
(2:04:18 AM) flamechild101: Actually no
(2:04:18 AM) gavinfoxx: this person has no academic credentials whatsoever
(2:04:38 AM) flamechild101: that comes from an FAQ that a high priest i know wrote
(2:04:42 AM) flamechild101: his mother was a witch
(2:04:49 AM) flamechild101: his grandmother was a with
(2:04:54 AM) flamechild101: *witch
(2:05:02 AM) flamechild101: his great grandmother was a with
(2:05:04 AM) flamechild101: *witch
(2:05:15 AM) flamechild101: his great great grandmother was a with
(2:05:17 AM) gavinfoxx: but it wasn't wicca. wicca was a modern invention. what you have would have to be something entirely different
(2:05:33 AM) flamechild101: stop being so thick headed
(2:05:38 AM) flamechild101: Ask any wiccan of old
(2:05:39 AM) gavinfoxx: which polytheistic culture did you come from?
(2:05:40 AM) gavinfoxx: celtic?
(2:05:56 AM) flamechild101: Polytheistic culture that i personally came from?
(2:06:00 AM) flamechild101: or my coven?
(2:06:00 AM) gavinfoxx: that this tradition
(2:06:09 AM) gavinfoxx: that you say is wicca
(2:06:19 AM) gavinfoxx: which deities?
(2:07:08 AM) flamechild101: you also have to realize i am not a modern wicca
(2:07:16 AM) flamechild101: modern wiccas are not real wicca
(2:07:16 AM) gavinfoxx: is Dis Pater one of your deities?
(2:07:22 AM) flamechild101: they do not have covens
(2:07:29 AM) flamechild101: they dont sacrific
(2:07:36 AM) flamechild101: they don't hide
(2:07:51 AM) gavinfoxx: any of these look familiar?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Celtic_deities(2:08:24 AM) flamechild101: Our Gods are not of your concern
(2:09:00 AM) flamechild101: We are not to talk of the gods outside of council
(2:09:09 AM) flamechild101: are you council?
(2:09:13 AM) flamechild101: I think not.
(2:09:14 AM) gavinfoxx: oh, okay. because you'll get prosecuted, of course.
(2:09:17 AM) gavinfoxx: persecuted
(2:09:22 AM) gavinfoxx: in the United States of America
(2:09:39 AM) flamechild101: Wiccans are very private peope
(2:10:05 AM) gavinfoxx: okay. you may call yourselves wiccans. But you should be aware that you are NOT using the term "Wiccan" as it is understood in the English language
(2:10:10 AM) gavinfoxx: can you at least realize THAT?
(2:10:31 AM) flamechild101: i should hope you are not being rude
(2:10:42 AM) gavinfoxx: well can you agree with it, rather?
(2:12:00 AM) flamechild101: i agree that because of the way that the new religion is seen,that the term wiccan is no longer taken the same way as it was centuries ago
(2:12:21 AM) gavinfoxx: Are you sure they actually used the term wiccan centuries ago?
(2:12:42 AM) flamechild101: we were referred to as Witches
(2:12:47 AM) flamechild101: Wise people
(2:12:50 AM) gavinfoxx: Can you at least tell me which part of Europe your version of Witchcraft came from?
(2:13:24 AM) flamechild101: I never said europe,lets not assume
(2:13:47 AM) gavinfoxx: oh come on, most of the religions that use the term witchcraft are decidedly european
(2:13:53 AM) gavinfoxx: especially those that use the term pagan or druidism
(2:14:01 AM) flamechild101: Not true
(2:14:07 AM) flamechild101: Followers f Bast
(2:14:15 AM) flamechild101: are not European
(2:14:28 AM) gavinfoxx: okay, I'll concede that Africa and middle asia did have some influence.
(2:14:37 AM) gavinfoxx: but much of it was spread with the Romans
(2:14:58 AM) flamechild101: they have much difference
(2:15:12 AM) gavinfoxx: who liked the idea of worshipping whichever gods they found they liked from the various peoples they conquered
(2:15:43 AM) flamechild101: Most roman gods are based on greeks
(2:15:51 AM) gavinfoxx: not really.
(2:15:55 AM) gavinfoxx: Mithras wasnt a greek god
(2:15:57 AM) flamechild101: Usually because the romans studied with greek eunuchs
(2:15:57 AM) gavinfoxx: really
(2:16:08 AM) gavinfoxx: Sol Invictus wasn't a Greek deity, really.
(2:16:12 AM) flamechild101: How many years of latin dd you take again?
(2:16:28 AM) gavinfoxx: I have taken classes on this...
(2:16:33 AM) flamechild101: and how many years of Classic theology
(2:16:57 AM) gavinfoxx: okay, than correct me
(2:17:03 AM) flamechild101: i did already
(2:17:11 AM) gavinfoxx: specifically with Mithras and Sol Invictus
(2:17:20 AM) flamechild101: who were demi gods
(2:17:37 AM) flamechild101: we're not talking about dem gods
(2:17:42 AM) gavinfoxx: but very, very, very widely worshipped at certain points in history -- some of the most widely worshipped deities in the empire
(2:17:47 AM) flamechild101: we are talking about the real gods
(2:18:24 AM) gavinfoxx: I thought how widespread worship was at a given time in a given place is a good definition for "real" gods?
(2:18:56 AM) flamechild101: well then satan would be a god yes?
(2:19:10 AM) flamechild101: as would John Lennon
(2:19:13 AM) flamechild101: and Elvis
(2:19:15 AM) gavinfoxx: Lucifer? well he isn't worshipped that widespread as a deity.
(2:19:22 AM) flamechild101: actually he is
(2:19:28 AM) gavinfoxx: There are some people that worship various things they call satanism
(2:19:46 AM) gavinfoxx: but it really doesnt have much to do with the angel Lucifer, or the concept of Satahn or "evil" in hebrew.
(2:20:13 AM) flamechild101: incorret
(2:20:27 AM) gavinfoxx: most varieties of satanism are usually just a fairly egocentric concept of religions, though there are a few varieties
(2:21:40 AM) gavinfoxx: anyway, if you want, sometime I can come back and start citing academic sources if you would like...?
(2:21:53 AM) gavinfoxx: would that help?
(2:23:02 AM) gavinfoxx: anyway, I have to go to sleep. talk to you later...
(2:23:05 AM) flamechild101: deal
(2:23:18 AM) flamechild101: only if you will let me take you to the undergrounds of the occult
(2:23:35 AM) flamechild101: let you meet the ones i know
(2:23:36 AM) gavinfoxx: online webpages then?
(2:23:42 AM) flamechild101: oh no
(2:23:43 AM) gavinfoxx: or just IM people?
(2:23:46 AM) flamechild101: no
(2:23:46 AM) gavinfoxx: I'm in Kentucky
(2:23:52 AM) flamechild101: Yes?
(2:23:55 AM) gavinfoxx: you are too, right?
(2:23:57 AM) gavinfoxx: or wrong
(2:24:02 AM) gavinfoxx: I cant go very far from Lexington
(2:24:22 AM) flamechild101: someday maybe we can meet
(2:24:25 AM) gavinfoxx: mmm
(2:24:29 AM) flamechild101: then ill take you to meet my people
(2:24:33 AM) gavinfoxx: maybe.
(2:24:36 AM) gavinfoxx: that would be interesting
(2:24:40 AM) flamechild101: remember
(2:24:48 AM) flamechild101: Books capture only thought
(2:24:50 AM) gavinfoxx: though if you can figure out where in the world what you do originated, from which cultures, at which time
(2:24:55 AM) gavinfoxx: that would help quite a bit
(2:24:59 AM) flamechild101: oh i know
(2:25:06 AM) gavinfoxx: but you can't tell me?
(2:25:07 AM) flamechild101: Im just not going to tell you
(2:25:15 AM) gavinfoxx: because its taboo that I know?
(2:25:25 AM) flamechild101: Somewhat
(2:25:38 AM) flamechild101: and i don't want word leaking out that we are active
(2:25:59 AM) gavinfoxx: oh yes. because people having odd beliefs that don't harm anyone aren't tolerated in the United States and Canada!
(2:26:00 AM) gavinfoxx: hehehee
(2:26:14 AM) flamechild101: hehe
(2:26:23 AM) flamechild101: no,its not that
(2:26:29 AM) gavinfoxx: well what is it?
(2:26:45 AM) gavinfoxx: do you actually have any, ya know, books that you can date to a particular time?
(2:26:46 AM) flamechild101: its just we try to remain as pure from modern contaminants as possible
(2:26:53 AM) flamechild101: yes
(2:27:01 AM) gavinfoxx: can you tell me anything about them?
(2:27:52 AM) flamechild101: they weren't written in a modern language
(2:27:58 AM) flamechild101: thats what i will tell you
(2:27:58 AM) gavinfoxx: well what language is it?
(2:28:07 AM) flamechild101: not telling that
(2:28:13 AM) gavinfoxx: Welsh?
(2:28:22 AM) flamechild101: thats modern
(2:28:30 AM) gavinfoxx: oh yea, good point
(2:28:39 AM) gavinfoxx: Gaulish?
(2:29:12 AM) gavinfoxx: Celtiberian? Brythonic?
(2:29:34 AM) flamechild101: noo
(2:29:39 AM) flamechild101: bbl
(2:29:43 AM) gavinfoxx: okay
(2:29:47 AM) gavinfoxx: gnight. I'm going to sleep.
(2:29:52 AM) flamechild101 has signed off.