Community for Neutrois

[vackert_vitt]

I thought I would let any other neutrois in this community know that I've created a community especially for us:

http://neutrois-life.livejournal.com/profile

I believe it will be useful to have a place to discuss topics specific to those of us who identify as genderless.

Comments

[casey_coyote]

I think your "About" section could use some editing:

Whilst I tend to use "androgyne" to mean a blend of male and female as you describe, and as far as I am aware the etymology of the word indicates the same, many people (possibly even the majority) both trans and cis use androgyne in the same way as neuter or as a catch all for being something outside man or woman.

[tamerterra]

If there are people that use it to mean 'outside' of the venn circles of 'male' and 'female' rather than in the overlap, then they're not using it in an easily understandable way. I might even go so far as to say that they're using it wrong, and might be the sorts to assume that all forms of genderqueer identity are similiar.

[balmofgilead]

I would agree that they're using it wrong. There's the whole history of the creatures in (I think) Plato's Symposium who had male and female components, plus the word itself is made up of the Greek terms for "man" and "woman."

[casey_coyote]

Um. Yes, I pointed that out...

Words can come to mean something different than their roots. The obvious example: Would it be wrong to use "gay" to mean homosexual, despite it's now dated meaning of happy, joyous?

What about if a gay man identifies as "queer"? Is that wrong?

[jitusk]

"An androgyne is a person whose gender identity blends aspects of male and female to create a gender-ambiguous self image and appearance."

I have to take issue with this as well. Androgyne is androgynous, but the gender identity has nothing to do with someone who wishes to remain gender ambiguous or someone who prefers androgynous presentation.

I will have to agree that you should not be defining Neutrois by inappropriately definining another identity that Neutrois is not. Stick to what your feelings, identities, and expressions are.

I personally identify as having an androgynous boy identity- I call myself FtM, Transmasculine, and Androgyne- and don't ever view my gender as a blend of male and female aspects. I view it as something else entirely.

Androgyne definition

[vackert_vitt]

Because there was so much controversy over the definition of androgyne given in the information section of neutrois_life, I removed that definition. Unfortunately, I think a lack of definition of the identity that most people mistakenly assign to neutrois will continue to make the distinction unclear. If anyone wants to propose a more accurate definition of the androgyne identity, please do so.

[ryntha_doghare]

I've never quite established a personal understanding of the distinction between neutrois and androgyne, but I opt for IDing as neutrois in my agendered moments because I like the sound of it better. :P Anyway, I've joined up.

Androgyne vs. Neutrois

[vackert_vitt]

The way I understand it, an androgyne identifies as a blend of male and female, whereas a neutrois identifies as having no gender at all. So the two are polar opposites, much as bisexual is to asexual. I used to have a definition similar to this in the "about" section of the neutrois_life community, but the definition of androgyne generated so much controversy that I removed it.

Re: Androgyne vs. Neutrois

[ryntha_doghare]

Well, I've heard androgyne being used as a much broader term than neutrois. Androgyne seems to be utilised as no gender, blend of male and female, third gender, etc, whereas neutrois is firmly stated to be no gender. Which is why I prefer to ID as neutrois simply to avoid any unnecessary confusion about which way I might be using 'androgyne' in.