This is a record of the correspondence between Jeff M****** :)~, Dictator and Grande Inquisitor of the Milwaukee Gothic Council, and myself over the last few days.
It's just awful. I reccomend not reading it.
From: Jeff :)~
To: georgeg0@earthlink.net
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:07 PM
Subject: mgc
Hello again -
You are not authorized to use the "MGC" title in any respect. I and my group own all rights to that title. DELETE your MGC Live Journal and CEASE referring to yourself as "President" of the Milwaukee Gothic Council immediately, or you will find yourself on the receiving end of a Summons & Complaint to Milwaukee County Circuit Court, and you will be liable for at least court costs and attorneys fees of the action (YES, I have your address and full name).
Jeff M******
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Hi Jeff, oh I'm sorry, of course I will cease using the name Milwaukee Gothic Council immediately. I had no idea you owned the name. Your letter doesn't actually make it clear that you own the rights to this name, but of course, if you do, I will comply with your very polite and reasonable request. Obviously I would never, in any way whatsoever, want to infringe on your ownership privileges regarding the name Milwaukee Gothic Council. Please believe me, I want to work this out in way satisfactory for everyone.
Sorry for the mix-up and any problems it may have caused.
Thanks alot.
Yours, George 500
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From: Jeff :)~
To: georgeg0@earthlink.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 10:49 AM
Subject: re: mgc
Hello again -
This is to acknowledge your prompt compliance with our demands that you cease use of the name "Milwaukee Gothic Council."
Additionally, you should not use the initials "MGC," or any configuration or permutation of those initials, to identify yourself or your "club." Those initials and the name "Milwaukee Gothic Council" are the trademark property of the Milwaukee Gothic Council which identifies and underscores the "goodwill" (legalese for "value") that the MGC has acquired over the past 3+ years it has existed.
Thank you again for your prompt compliance. Be advised, however, that any future violations of our trademark rights will result in us seeking immediate injunctive relief against you, together with an award from you for the reimbursement of our court and all other applicable costs and expenses (which can be considerable).
Also, a little free advice for you here: Your posting of obscene, lewd or profane language to harass people constitutes a Class-B Misdemeanor punishable by up to 90 days incarceration, a maximum fine of up $1,000.00, or both, pursuant to Wis. Stat. Sec. 947.0125. Look it up!
Jeffrey L. M*******, Esq.
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Jeff :)~ then posted this on the several community boards geared toward Gothics
Just so you all know
(Anonymous)
2004-02-03 19:08 (from 68.75.73.243) (link) Select
This is a FRAUD perpetrated by . . .
M***** ("M****") B******
(address)
Milwaukee, WI 53207-1509
The Milwaukee Gothic Council has no LJ community, and we certainly do not have any "President"
(the name, Milwauke Gothic Council, is a 1999 spoof of the Milwaukee City Common Council, and there is no *actual* clandestine "council" in Milwaukee overseeing Gothic affairs, for Christ's sake)!
By doing a little Internet search on the email address of this imposter troll
(G**************), we got this site as a result:
http://www.*******************.html .
By looking at his ad (a little past 1/2-way down the page), it came up with a phone number:
***-****
By doing a phone number search, here's what came up:
http://*********************************** (copy and paste the URL directly into your web browser if it gets broken in the post)
Ring any bells by chance to anyone here? I think everyone should give him a ring (like I did), and tell him to KNOCK THIS $HIT OFF (or he's going to get SUED)! I talked to this guy tonight on the phone, and he admitted that he has the e-mail GeorgeG0@earthlink.net (*the* e-mail adrress owner who lives in southside Milwaukee? Very, very slim chance indeed that it is NOT the same troll). He denied everything else, using a crying baby as an excuse to get off the phone (pathetic)! I think this dude has some very serious mental-health issues that need to be
addressed sooner rather than later.
Jeff :)~
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/milwaukeegothiccouncil/http://www.seabrite.com/milwaukeegothiccouncil/ (Reply to this) (Thread)
From: George G
Date: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 7:34:24 PM
To: Jeff :\)~
Subject: Re: mgc
Hi Jeff, thanks for your advice about harrassing people. I trust You're correct harrassing people, I wasn't really aware I was doing that.
For your information I posted that ad on the pet lost and found board for someone in Mr. B*******'s family, I barely know Mr. B*******. Can I tell him that you have deleted all the posts in which you asked people to call and harrass him? I haven't had a chance to ask whether anyone beside yourself called him. If you'd like I could forward your email address to him or whatever, in case he has any questions about this incident. As I stated previously, I'm certainly no lawyer, and I'm sure you are well within your legal rights, but it would probably just be nice to delete any other comments in which you identify this totally unrelated party as a target for phone harrassment. I may not have found them all. He and his wife do, indeed, have an infant in the home and probably don't need people calling them at all hours of the night harrassing them.
Again, my name is George G*********, my telephone number is 414-***-****. George G*********, George as in George, G as in G0. If you feel the need to post a name or or number for further telephone harrassment, please use mine. Thanks.
George G. }:^)>
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From: Jeff :)~
To: GeorgeG0@earthlink.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: mgc
Hello again -
Shouldn't you be looking out for your baby's best interests, instead of engaging in tortious conduct that could impugn liability to not only you, but your wife (provided you're married to your baby's mother)? You say you posted for someone in the family of your "friend" (*cough*), M***** B*******. Yet when I spoke to him (YOU) yesterday by telephone, it was admitted that this e-mail address that you are using (g*************.net) is indeed his (YOURS). So, the question that stands out at this point is why are YOU using HIS e-mail address if you are not him? Also, you attempt to argue that you are really somebody named George Geankoplis. Yet, when I performed an Internet search of the telephone number you say is really yours, (414) ***-****, the results are for an A****** G*********. Why would you leave out such a crucial detail as the differences between the two first names if it were not yet another fabrication of your part? I'm sorry, but your story does not add up and I don't believe a word you say! You are M****** B********* and, even if you're not, I would still name M****** B******** (in addition now to A******* * G********** of **** * **** Street) in any legal action I might have to take to enjoin further violations of the MGC's legal rights.
So - I'll tell you what: You DELETE your "mgc" Live Journal community NOW, and I'll make sure that all of my on-line postings of M***** B*******'s information is deleted off the Internet.
(Side bar: it is *not* harassment to post personal information already available on line and to implore others to contact the person in question in order to lobby that person to act one way or another on one's behalf - nice try, but I am a well-seasoned attorney who is immune to parties trying to side-step real issues by throwing "red herrings" into an argument!)
Delete your "mgc" community - it continues to violate the *rael* MGC's property rights. You can always start another Live Journal community and name it more appropriately (call it the "Milwaukee Goth Club" if you like - that's fine, and we couldn't do a thing to legally stop you). Or, better yet, why don't you get a hobby to occupy your spare time - you appear to need one BADLY.
This is the final warning we will give you about this subject matter.
J.L. M*******, Esq
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Fair enough. the MGC community is deleted. I didn't really understand that's what you were asking me to do originally. I didn't realize you had trademarked the letters "M" "G" and "C". How do you trademark something? Is it hard? What did you trademark? Anything besides "MGC" and "Milwaukee Gothic Council"? Is there somewhere I can find a listing of trademarked names? I'd like to see some record of your trademarks so I don't use any other initials you're using.
As I said, I'm no lawyer, I am sure you're well within your legal rights to post, on the basis of one 2 year old lost animal ad, Mr. B*******'s (NOT ME) address under the (completely false and incorrect) statement "This is a FRAUD perpetrated by . . ." and say "I think everyone should give him a ring (like I did), and tell him to KNOCK THIS $HIT OFF". To me, the layman, it just sounds a little offensive. I know I wouldn't want enraged gothics calling me up at all hours of the night yelling obscenities at me. They probably stay up pretty late!
If you feel comfortable leaving his name posted, stating that he perpetrated a fraud, apparently that's your legal right. My only concern is that a completely innocent party, Mr. B******* (NOT ME), is being "lobbied". It's hard to say how long some of the people that read the information you posted about him might continue to lobby him, he may want to discuss the situation with you. Again, may I forward your email address to Mr. B******? If you won't talk to me, maybe you and he could iron this out together. I think it would really be quite a shame for yourself and so many other goths to call and bother Mr. B******* (NOT ME) when he had nothing to do with this. Not to mention spells. :(
I'm sorry to say you must absolutely have misunderstood Mr. B*******, GeorgeG0@earthlink.net is not his address. It's mine. I'll state again that my name is George G**********. I do, indeed, live at **** * ** st. Wauwatosa WI, I am staying with my family. Many people on live journal know me quite well and would, I'm sure, be quite willing to vouch for me. Would you like some names? Perhaps you could ask people to lobby them, as well. I would be happy to call you, accept a call from you, meet you, show you I. D., etc. I'd be happy to meet you at Node or that question mark club if that's where you'd feel comfortable. I would just like to do everything I can to make sure that further accusations, lobbying, spells, etc, are directed towards myself and not a completely innocent, unconnected third party.
Would you mind if I share this corresponence with the other members of my club, to help them understand why I'm being forced to close up shop? Would that be legal? Am I within my rights? Some of the gothics in my group will probably want to know what happened. Perhaps some other names and numbers would be helpful to you in your lobbying campaign.
Also, it will please you to know that Mr. Beaudoin and his wife are, of course, happily married. If I get the chance I'll tell him you were concerned about the matter of his newly born infant's legitimacy. :)
George Geankoplis, Initiate of Talos, 6th circle }:^)>
No response so far.
also, this
http://www.livejournal.com/users/daicerio_blue/99521.html