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Torchwood: Children of Earth Review

Jul 11, 2009 03:47

I never update this but every other social networking outlet is full of people who haven't yet seen Torchwood and don't want to be spoiled.

( So, my Children of Earth review behind the cut. )

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cadrina July 11 2009, 09:35:54 UTC

I agree with you, I think that there was a point to Ianto's Death and I can see why Jack had to go away, after Stephen dies in the scene where alice looks at him in the hallway all I could think was "and he can't even have the chance of killing himself like Frobisher did it". Because in Frobisher's case I found alleviating when the fourth shot comes.
Leaving is the only path for Jack.

PS: Back in the season two when we see the flashback to how Jack got to be the leader of torchwood the old leader says that the 21th is when everything changes and is so horrible that he kills everyone, I think that is what he saw and who would want to be alive to see your child being stolen to be used as a drug.

gertymac July 11 2009, 14:03:23 UTC

I, too, thought Frobisher's suicide was for the best. He didn't know they would come out on top, so he did what a good man does. He took care of his family and saved his children from what was waiting for them.

If he'd been a little less of a good man, they'd still be alive.

gemnoire July 11 2009, 09:53:50 UTC

Nice analysis - I think your is one of the first fan reviews I've read that has sat back and taken a more objective view of it - which is difficult because I think a lot of people felt betrayed by the ending. I think I'm lucky, I came to CoE having mostly given up on Torchwood in series 2. The characters and the acting just couldn't save the plots, the cheese and the poor directing for me ( ... )

gertymac July 11 2009, 14:07:12 UTC

Being objective is hard. I don't feel betrayed necessarily, but I was very upset after part four. I loved Ianto because I see a lot of myself in hims and he's exactly the kind of guy I would fall for. I loved the complexity of his character and his relationship to Jack. But, remember the good times and all, right? :)

I love the emotional roller coaster. No one hurts me and then soothes my wounds like Uncle Rusty.

I think the journey of Torchwood 3 is over, but not the journey of Torchwood. They will need to be bigger, and more public, to deal with the threats the human race gets these days. It won't be the Torchwood we knew, and I may not even like it, but imagine what Torchwood 1 could have been with Gwen at the helm and not Yvonne Hartman?

robling_t July 11 2009, 10:13:04 UTC

This. All of this. (Especially the part about this being Andy's job-interview for Torchwood -- from the way he took off that vest, I'd say he's certainly done with the regularly constituted authorities there...)

robling_t July 11 2009, 13:50:28 UTC

There is still alot to Jack's story I want to know...between now and the face.....and I hope someone blends it in somewhere. This tore my heart out. Not quite ready to say goodbye but can't disagree with your points.

gertymac July 11 2009, 14:09:50 UTC

It tore my heart out as well. That was really the biggest part of coming to peace with it, realizing that it had to happen even though I didn't want it to happen.

Luckily for us, this fandom has a diviersity and quality of fan fiction a lot of other fandom's don't. Once I'm more over Ianto's death, because I don't think I could stomach the happy right now, I'll continue to read it. Hopefully it will go back and tell me more of TW3 story that I didn't see, or change the end of CoE, or fill in more of Jack's story.

robling_t July 11 2009, 15:32:12 UTC

Hell, I've got a WIP Epic that was accidentally forced to turn AU after Owen, and I'm still posting new chapters for the damned thing. When parallel universes and time-meddling are canon, there's simply no excuse to let yourself stay Jossed, eh? ;)

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dqbunny July 12 2009, 01:09:41 UTC

Ianto would have followed him into worse situations without a second thought because he trusted him so completely. Jack inspires that in people, and the combination of arrogance and love killed Ianto in a seemingly pointless, unimportant way.

You pretty much take that and substitute Rose/Martha/Donna/Sarah Jane/Jack for Ianto and The Doctor for Jack and you've also summed up pretty much "Journey's End" of Doctor Who. Without all the carnage among the cast ... except Donna.

gertymac July 12 2009, 02:03:43 UTC

I can see that, but I think the lack of death for the companions is important and maybe ever more hurtful for the Doctor. They all get some happiness and the Doctor gets only loneliness.

Except for Donna, of course. She did die, in a way.

Icon love, BTW.

somedaybitch July 12 2009, 07:05:57 UTC

well said, absolutely.

i would only add, from a strictly technical standpoint, Gwen couldn't be the one that dies because she is our point of view character, and Jack can't be the one who dies because Jack can't die...so, sadly, that leaves Ianto if the story was to have any true consequences.

gertymac July 12 2009, 07:12:08 UTC

I often forget that because I don't really identify with Gwen personally. It took me a long time to warm up to her really.

somedaybitch July 12 2009, 07:15:18 UTC

i've always liked her, but i can see that very easily.

gertymac July 12 2009, 07:18:57 UTC

I didn't dis-like her per se. She just didn't jump out at me from the beginning. Rose served a similar purpose in DW, and I did identify with her so I'm not really sure of the difference.

I am most similar to Ianto in personality and I identified strongly with him from the beginning.

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