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charon2 December 30 2009, 03:53:08 UTC
Funny that I was having the same conversation with a friend today. Ignorance is bliss ...

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glowcat December 30 2009, 12:53:53 UTC
I can't go out for big protests at the white house. But I do write letters to our crummy senators that I never vote for, and yet they manage to stay in there somehow.

I'm all for putting term limits on senators.
50 years in office? C'MON! You can't tell me those people have NO clue.

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firetalon December 30 2009, 08:06:12 UTC
This is one of those eternal challenges that is sewn throughout history. People have a disturbing talent at rationalizing that callous attitude; what I find most shocking is that some of the most at-risk groups strongly oppose overhauling the medical system (until they really need it, but then they're fucked).

This cold reality here in the USA is a pretty compelling reason for us to work our asses off; it's a willing trade-off between doing what we enjoy, and what will save our butts if something bad happens. So, the question becomes: is that life-and-death pressure the best mechanism to achieve the highest standard of living? I tend to think no; risk / reward systems are good to a point, but Europe has demonstrated that there are other ways of managing health care.

While the marginalization of those that are injured or handicapped today is nothing to take lightly, at least it's a little better than it was a few hundred years ago.

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glowcat December 30 2009, 13:26:59 UTC
I'm exceedingly concerned about the health bill that's passing now. All the checks and balances are being stripped from it. It really is a huge benefits package for the healthcare from what I can tell.

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firetalon December 30 2009, 23:50:52 UTC
Yeah, looks that way so far. It will be interesting to see how the House and Senate bills will come together, or if they'll just push everything through during budget reconciliation (which they should have done anyway!).

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