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bram October 9 2009, 02:31:02 UTC
I saw that on metafilter, and it kind of rubbed me the wrong way in the part about males anticipating whether they might seem scary to women and then acting based on that. When it comes to the issue of feeling safe from assault, of course, it seems petty to put into the balance something like the guy's feelings of rejection... But I think the writer expects certain classes of males to walk through life acting as if, "oh no I might scare someone because I am especially scary," and then I think that may become a self-fulfilling prophecy in that internalizing a conception of oneself as scary leads to giving off just those uncomfortable-vibes ( ... )

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gmalivuk October 9 2009, 02:41:03 UTC
No, she's saying guys like that are more likely to set off warning bells in most women. Not that they are more likely to commit rape. Not that they are less likeable. Simply that they should be aware that looking a certain way will cause others to think of them a certain way, and sometimes that means others are more likely to think of them as potentially dangerous.

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darthparadox October 9 2009, 04:47:36 UTC
I'm torn between thinking "do what you need to protect yourself" and "that doesn't sound any different than assuming all Arabs are terrorists". It's not exactly a good analogy, though, considering that it's not the case that we have a one-in-five chance of being the victim of a terrorist attack. Somewhere between the terrorism rates and the rape rates, presumptive suspicion stops being paranoia and starts being good sense...

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gmalivuk October 9 2009, 12:16:28 UTC
Even if the rates were closer, she's not assuming all men are rapists. She's just saying that a strange man who decides to approach you out of the blue, and especially a strange man who views his desire to interact with you as more important than your desire to be left alone, is more likely to be a potential rapist.

But of course, it's also the case that if 1/20 to 1/10 of Arabs were terrorists, thinking all of them might be would cease to be quite so racist and paranoid.

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silver_grin October 9 2009, 02:44:55 UTC
greg, i think this means you need to get your cockroach tattoos removed.

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gmalivuk October 9 2009, 02:47:25 UTC
But they're so pretty!

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anonymous October 14 2009, 21:23:48 UTC
Cockroach tatoos??? Either way, "perception is reality" if some women regard unknown men as a threat, guys should deal with it and not be all insulted or superior about it. Its a far from perfect world and some of the fallout from that is that some people get stereotyped like it or not. If it offends you, work to end rape and assault in whatever small way you can.

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