Too Much To Process

Jan 24, 2008 00:15

Let me lay out what I am trying to get at in a mechanical way rather than use a cognitive/mystical approach. I seem to have gotten lost trying to present my mind and thought process rather than cogently asserting the basics first, diving into the deep end before I have even defined the water into which we will swim ( Read more... )

systems, electromagnetics, dynamic systems, economics, politics, the universe, brain, social structure

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In Search of a Systems Midwife fringekitty January 24 2008, 17:26:51 UTC
I think I managed to keep up with your swift-moving stream of consciousness. For those of us moving slower than light speed at the moment, let me double-check your premise: there is a universal tendency towards efficient distribution of energy which is reflected in nature as well as the systems of man: religious, scientific, political and economic. These systems tend to evolve towards efficiency and equality in fits and starts, often in catastrophic ways: society progressing, for example, from brutal warfare to mutually beneficial trade via political upheaval. These system changes often result in many casualties on all sides, lives, homes, social infrastructures...you get the picture. And what you're proposing is a recognition of this universal principle in the hopes that its study would promote some sort of ease in transitioning to more efficient and egalitarian systems.

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Re: In Search of a Systems Midwife goodbrains January 24 2008, 18:51:53 UTC
This is an excellent job of abstracting the points I am trying to get at.
In addition to this, it is a pattern of behavior that is informed visa vie the electromagnetic dynamic. That the dynamic at work on the quantum level of existance influences us in the Newtonian realm of causality through our 'quantum device' the brain and gets expressed through our actions. Thanks for the summary! {:)~

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Re: In Search of a Systems Midwife notnotabouthim January 27 2008, 08:17:12 UTC
Thanks. That helps. Couldn't follow the detail succinctly enough to make coherent sense of it :)

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Re: In Search of a Systems Midwife goodbrains January 29 2008, 00:44:26 UTC
Me too ( ... )

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harmonmsp April 10 2008, 04:06:00 UTC
What if it were so that mankind creates order out of chaos in order to function? In other words: Why must mankind's desire for order suggest "harmonics", and not instead evolution, as dependent upon its own prior complexities in order to progress? If one takes away the bottom Jenga pieces, one risks a lot of damage, no? :)

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Nice goodbrains April 12 2008, 00:30:57 UTC
Thanks, very thoughtful, give me a moment to cogitate, love the Jenga reference!

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A Quanta Of Cosmology goodbrains April 19 2008, 22:22:33 UTC
Good question concerning the intrinsic's of the dynamic! If mankind were to evolve in a system of chaos I could see your point, the way it seems to me is that once the Universe organized energy into the basic building blocks of matter, elements and compounds became an eventuality. As these primordial compounds took form, the building blocks of life emerged, as this life emerged, awareness became an eventuality and from awareness self-awareness; and so on, until we get to cortex-enabled sapiens whose brains apply electro-dynamic principles to function. It is a self-organizing pattern employed throughout the scope of the universe's existence of which we are a part of and cannot help but take part in.

Chaos seems to be a measurement of our lack of awareness of the over-all pattern, rather than an actual property of the Universe.

I love cosmology and its applications, though they are few, I think it frames present day philosophical conversation in a unique way that the illuminaries of yor probably dreamed about!

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