If you've paid for the tournament, you could at least go and see if there's anyone who's actually close to adult. And you could ask the tourney organizers if there's going to be ... you know, any rules used.
Personally, for league games, it's kind of passable that they wouldn't use the correct minis, but frankly, tournaments, where you're paying, I'd expect there to be some bare minimums. Otherwise, why the heck would you do it.
One of the reasons I gave up on GW back in the day was its move towards making toys for kids, as opposed to a game for adults. If I didn't have a few people at work to play with, I wouldn't have gotten back into 40k.
Maybe it's a lot like D&D - you'll have better luck taking friends and cool people you already, and teaching them how to model and paint.
Maybe you're looking at this the wrong way. Maybe you should look at it as possibly inspiring a kid instead of someone inspiring you.
Most kids these days lack imagination. With video games that look more real by the minute, television shows that dumb the minds and parents who are looking for an easy break they probably lack motivation and patience to sit down and make something or learn something.
And here you are an adult in a "kid's world" trying hard to make something that technology hasn't touched. Ya know what I mean?
I understand your frustration. But maybe out of all this frustration eventually you will find that person you are looking for that you can connect with, inspire and motivate. And all this crap will be worth it.
I don't know if any of this makes sense or not. It's awfully hard to try to think intelligently when it's only 7:?? in the morning.
I would like nothing more than to mentor an enthusiastic kid. I have 18 years of miniatures experience alone and a workshop with every tool known to man. I went into this league with the mindset you describe.
These kids don't want to be mentored. They couldn't care less. They showed no interest in...well, anything as far as I could tell.
It's not fair to compare them to myself at the same age (I am an uber-nerd) but I can't help it. At that age (12-17), I could recite the rulebook backwards and forwards! I had favorite painters I looked up to! I was 18 when I got my first Warhammer tattoo. Ok, I'm an extreme case, but these kids are like motionless lumps. It's hard to tell why they showed up at all (until thier parents come to pick them up from free baby sitting). Then thier faces light up. Home. Home, where the video games are.
"Is there no one else in all of New England who sees miniatures the way I do? Who thinks that painting and converting are actually parts of the hobby? Is there no one who WANTS to assemble an army they can be proud of, for any game, and then just play becuase it's FUN?"
I'll agree to the second question. I can't agree to the first or third because, well, I am only getting started. I write so much I doubt I'll ever assemble armies. But, I like a job well done! Painting and creating can be exactly that.
That said, I agree that the frustration of seeing your hard work and effort be ignored by kids playing to win by cheating is, well, palpable. I hope you can find better folks to play with. Or not expend so much time on a frustrating situation.
Thanks, Varianor, and thanks to everyone for your support.
It's not the end of the world, despite my kvetching. I've decided to try the GW store at the Mall, where I can at least play against the staff, who are adults (or at least in thier late teens) and are into the hobby enough to work at a GW store.
I'm also learning the No Limits rules, so that games at my house can at least use a rules system that does not suck. ;)
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Personally, for league games, it's kind of passable that they wouldn't use the correct minis, but frankly, tournaments, where you're paying, I'd expect there to be some bare minimums. Otherwise, why the heck would you do it.
But, I feel for you man, I feel for you.
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Maybe it's a lot like D&D - you'll have better luck taking friends and cool people you already, and teaching them how to model and paint.
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Most kids these days lack imagination. With video games that look more real by the minute, television shows that dumb the minds and parents who are looking for an easy break they probably lack motivation and patience to sit down and make something or learn something.
And here you are an adult in a "kid's world" trying hard to make something that technology hasn't touched. Ya know what I mean?
I understand your frustration. But maybe out of all this frustration eventually you will find that person you are looking for that you can connect with, inspire and motivate. And all this crap will be worth it.
I don't know if any of this makes sense or not. It's awfully hard to try to think intelligently when it's only 7:?? in the morning.
I'm just trying to find a bright side :-)
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These kids don't want to be mentored. They couldn't care less. They showed no interest in...well, anything as far as I could tell.
It's not fair to compare them to myself at the same age (I am an uber-nerd) but I can't help it. At that age (12-17), I could recite the rulebook backwards and forwards! I had favorite painters I looked up to! I was 18 when I got my first Warhammer tattoo. Ok, I'm an extreme case, but these kids are like motionless lumps. It's hard to tell why they showed up at all (until thier parents come to pick them up from free baby sitting). Then thier faces light up. Home. Home, where the video games are.
I give up.
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Maybe someday you'll find a little person to mentor . . .
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I'll agree to the second question. I can't agree to the first or third because, well, I am only getting started. I write so much I doubt I'll ever assemble armies. But, I like a job well done! Painting and creating can be exactly that.
That said, I agree that the frustration of seeing your hard work and effort be ignored by kids playing to win by cheating is, well, palpable. I hope you can find better folks to play with. Or not expend so much time on a frustrating situation.
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It's not the end of the world, despite my kvetching. I've decided to try the GW store at the Mall, where I can at least play against the staff, who are adults (or at least in thier late teens) and are into the hobby enough to work at a GW store.
I'm also learning the No Limits rules, so that games at my house can at least use a rules system that does not suck. ;)
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