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Jul 01, 2002 23:51

Arguments I hate:

1. It doesn't matter.
It matters to me. If you don't care, why don't you just let me have my way?

2. Life's not fair.
Yes, and we must try hard to keep it that way. Any proposed course of action that could result in more justice in the world should be abandoned immediately.

3. You need to have faith.
I have faith that you ( Read more... )

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highping July 1 2002, 21:18:58 UTC

For #5, I think you mean:
When I'm your age, I'll still have facts to back up my opinions...
;-)

Can I ask what inspired this post? Do I probably already know? heh

You think wrong! ;-) greensparkles July 1 2002, 22:05:09 UTC

The statement "When I'm your age I hope I have facts" implies that I do not currently have such facts. However, it does not unequivocally state that I don't have facts now. In the same way, if I say "When I'm older I will have brown hair" this does not preclude me from currently having brown hair.

I actually considered alternate wordings for that phrase, but decided to keep it as I originally wrote it. I chose the wording I did to emphasize my opinion that it is especially important for an older and (supposedly) more experienced person to have reasons for his/her beliefs.

Did you think this post was inspired by the nationwide pledge debate? (Specifically, my debate with my mother on the issue?) If so, you already knew.

Btw, I like your...haircut? ...shave? ...whatever. It looks nice.

Re: You think wrong! ;-) highping July 1 2002, 22:56:13 UTC

Point taken on the "facts" thing. I still prefer my remark, however. :-P

Yay, I got the inspiration right. I guess that's not really all that impressive, but hey, I'll take what I can get.

Thanks, re: grooming.
(Just a shave, though I need a haircut. And I think I look terribly young now. :-\ )

forcemajeure July 2 2002, 00:21:15 UTC

When you're my age, you will come to love all five of those arguments.

Oh, wait, you are my age.

I will give "Life is not fair" half of a defense. I think there are very real perils to imposing certain kinds of fairness, particularly when we seek fairness of outcome. A lot of negative consequences have flowed from misguided efforts to create fairness of outcome. The world can be made fairer in some ways that are beneficial, and cannot be made fairer in others without doing great harm. Some people hold fairness up as the most important benchmark against which an idea should be measured; I think that's a mistake. It's one measure, and it's a measure that should keep in mind that there isn't a uniform idea about what constitutes "fair."

LOL goddess_2000 July 2 2002, 11:44:29 UTC

No, u were born old...;-) Love ya!!!

highping July 2 2002, 22:03:22 UTC

Just yesterday I was asking my dad about certain laws. His explanation for my biggest question was "doing that isn't fair." My reply was "But the world isn't fair." My point wasn't that we shouldn't care that life isn't fair; my point is that selective attempts at "fairness" seem silly to me.

Now, one will notice that that's not a defense, that's actually a counterargument to a point that explicitly relies on this vague "fair" issue.

LOL goddess_2000 July 2 2002, 11:43:19 UTC

U get older...they get older, "but" eventually they die...only "then" r u right!!!

Re: LOL anan_ab July 3 2002, 22:12:31 UTC

Heh.. I like your way of thinking!

Re: LOL goddess_2000 July 4 2002, 03:42:59 UTC

Hey thanks...so far I have only been right 6 times in my life...LOL

Re: LOL anan_ab July 4 2002, 10:51:26 UTC

6 times? Man... I need to pick up the pace..

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alicatfla02 July 2 2002, 18:01:40 UTC

Alright I will never mention the following to you ever!!! Because I know its always long when I get in a debate with you lol