interesting convo with a friend of mine.
badlukk xiii: you know that election WAS stolen, right?
panopticonisi: the florida thing, i may concede.
panopticonisi: but people saying that he should have won based on popular vote alone is what irks me.
badlukk xiii: i agree..
panopticonisi: i don't know what happened in florida. i wasn't there. i didn't pay much attention, really.
badlukk xiii: florida's a fixed state..
badlukk xiii: that just happens to be governed by a texan... (odd within itself)
badlukk xiii: and that texan just happens to be georgie's brother..
badlukk xiii: and said state has enough fixed electoral votes to change the election results..
badlukk xiii: coincidence?
badlukk xiii: nope.....
panopticonisi: now THAT's a stretch.
panopticonisi: THAT is, rather
badlukk xiii: how so?
panopticonisi: badlukk xiii: and said state has enough fixed electoral votes to change the election results..
panopticonisi: i don't like that line
badlukk xiii: why not? it's true..
badlukk xiii: the election was lost by under 23 electoral votes..
panopticonisi: here is how it comes off:
badlukk xiii: florida has 25
panopticonisi: you're saying bush knew exactly which states would go which way. and he knew florida would swing away from him. and he put in place, ahead of time, a way to cheat that state back in his favour.
badlukk xiii: changing the popular vote to favor bush (which it originally didn't) would earn bush ALL 25 ELECTORAL VOTES... you know, the one's that matter..
badlukk xiii: which would win him the election..
badlukk xiii: no...
panopticonisi: so now you're going to lecture me on voter intent and hanging chads?
panopticonisi: and the butterfly ballot?
panopticonisi: i know that's not what you were saying
panopticonisi: but that is how it came off when you got to that line.
panopticonisi: so a bunch of people didn't read their ballots properly. a lot of them didn't vote properly and were discarded.
badlukk xiii: i'm saying, bush knew that the election would be close, and that since florida had the third largest number of electoral votes, and happened to be governed by his brother, it would be the easiest way to ensure victory if need be..
badlukk xiii: as for the ballots...
panopticonisi: go on
badlukk xiii: hold on... i'm getting bitched at for being up this late..
panopticonisi: k
badlukk xiii: sorry....
panopticonisi: it's okay
badlukk xiii: as for the ballots, they've never been an issue up until 2000, when all the sudden.. floridians no longer posses the ability to read them properly?
badlukk xiii: why?
panopticonisi: because there was never a recount.
panopticonisi: the election had never been so close.
badlukk xiii: they had no problem reading them in 1996, when jeb bush wasn't governor, and his brother wasn't running for president..
badlukk xiii: but all the sudden...
badlukk xiii: they're just too fucking difficult to read..
badlukk xiii: nevermind the the fact that an out of state governor just happens to be the borther of the 2000 rep. presidential candidate...
panopticonisi: ones that were unreadable and were "thrown out" weren't noticed until the recount.
panopticonisi: dude, you're stretching.
badlukk xiii: not really..
panopticonisi: you're really stretching.
badlukk xiii: i mean, no more than than anyone else is..
panopticonisi: you're using a coincedence to prove a conspiracy theory.
panopticonisi: here's the logical reason for florida
panopticonisi: the use of butterfly ballots wasn't at jeb bush's discretion
panopticonisi: the reason they came to notice there was an error in the first place was because of the discrepancy between exit polls and recount numbers
panopticonisi: so they started to look at the process
panopticonisi: and noticed that the butterfly ballot was "misleading"
panopticonisi: and that many votes for gore were thrown out because of the hanging chad criteria.
panopticonisi: that's not to say that never before had there been a vote thrown out because it wasn't punched properly or that there had never been a single person ever to inadvertantly vote for the wrong person...
panopticonisi: but it came under review only because of the media scrutiny of the recount process.
panopticonisi: the rules were always there
panopticonisi: they were even followed in past elections
badlukk xiii: maybe it's just the rebel in me, but i see no stretch...