Thank you for the warning -- I avoided the comments.
And thank you for saying this. The burden on the disabled, in particular, is often forgotten about in these debates (you already know this, of course.)
tough questionsccjohnSeptember 12 2012, 20:52:50 UTC
I'll read the comments. Haddayr I like how you stick to the guts of it. The first part of voting's when you put your shoes on. Like that. "Beer is not a constitutional right," great twist.
Who has the right to vote? First it was "white guys who owned property," then "also black males," then "women," then "age 21, then "age 18." We've just about admitted it: the right to vote is a human right. It can't be taken away. If anyone's kept from voting, denied her right to vote, no one's vote is safe.
This is why requiring a state-issued ID for people to vote is impossible. It's a contradiction. When we vote, we're deciding if incumbents get to stay in office. The tendency of all government would be to rig the game so they don't lose. No one's less impartial about certifying voters than the Government, that's why Selma happened.
I agree we have to be sure some groups of voters aren't kept from the polls. History's shown that's happened. I also agree unless we make sure everyone is able to vote, our elections are not
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Oh my fucking god. I just glanced at them, and oh my fucking god.
(And none of them are interacting with the argument that it's not needed, that fraud is a tiny fraction of a percent. All of them are just complaining about poor people, claiming they're lazy.)
I am not affiliated with any party or organization. In fact I find myself quite liberal in many topics. (Gay rights, women's choice, and others
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I explained how it can be quite a big deal to get a valid ID, for all sorts of reasons, in my article. If you still don't understand how it's a big deal after reading about people with no birth certificates, people with no transportation, and people with severe mobility issues, I really can't help you.
Re: Voter IDsext_1482769November 7 2012, 18:24:03 UTC
I guess I just wonder if an "ID" isn't the way to go... What is the easiest and most accurate way to let people vote that insures they are a US citizen, aren't dead, and are only voting one time?
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And thank you for saying this. The burden on the disabled, in particular, is often forgotten about in these debates (you already know this, of course.)
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Who has the right to vote? First it was "white guys who owned property," then "also black males," then "women," then "age 21, then "age 18." We've just about admitted it: the right to vote is a human right. It can't be taken away. If anyone's kept from voting, denied her right to vote, no one's vote is safe.
This is why requiring a state-issued ID for people to vote is impossible. It's a contradiction. When we vote, we're deciding if incumbents get to stay in office. The tendency of all government would be to rig the game so they don't lose. No one's less impartial about certifying voters than the Government, that's why Selma happened.
I agree we have to be sure some groups of voters aren't kept from the polls. History's shown that's happened. I also agree unless we make sure everyone is able to vote, our elections are not ( ... )
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(And none of them are interacting with the argument that it's not needed, that fraud is a tiny fraction of a percent. All of them are just complaining about poor people, claiming they're lazy.)
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I don't care who wins I just want it to be fair.
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